<p>In the Penn supplement, one of the dual, joint, or accelerated programs is the Roy and Diana Vangelos Program in Life Sciences & management.
If I apply for this program and do not get selected, (checking for CAS if not selected to the program), would the possibility of being admitted to Penn at all be different from JUST applying to CAS at the first place without applying for the Vangelos program?</p>
<p>no, they won't consider you differently (although you may be an even better match for lsm so that could give you a boost)</p>
<p>It's VAGELOS, by the way--no "n"</p>
<p>^^ So true. There can be no 'vag' jokes if the 'n' is included.</p>
<p>sorry, but what's "Ism" and and "n"?</p>
<p>LSM (it's an "L", not an "I") = Life Sciences and Management</p>
<p>n = a letter that's not in "Vagelos". You spelled it with an "n"--"VaNgelos". It's "Vagelos", without the "n".</p>
<p>the only reason your chances of getting in would be different is that applying to the program means that your application will be reviewed twice - once by the LSM admissions board, and (if you don't get in) once by the College. I suppose that could increase your chances?</p>
<p>I dont think the chances would really increase; aren't students who already qualify for acceptance in either Wharton or CAS selected for the Vagelos program?</p>
<p>If you apply to dual or lsm programs, you're considered by the program's admissions group first. Ideally, these people should be fits in both of the schools the program covers, but if accepted you're not actually evaluated by those other adcoms, so it's not fair to say that they're "qualified for acceptance". I have on several occaisions been told by the dual degree folks that students may come in making excellent cases for the dual-degree programs (they've got a special interest and passion for intl business or management of technology) who wouldn't have been anything special in one of the backup schools. </p>
<p>The truth is that almost everyone who applies to Penn would "qualify for acceptance." Admissions decisions aren't about rational evaluations of stats (I know this will give heart attacks to half the posters on this board), they're about how well you seem to fit at the school, and the adcom's evaluation of that fit. Admissions isn't about letting the smartest, hardest-working applicants study at great institutions, it's about bringing in classes of students who are competent, prepared, and will contribute to the environment (A class of nerds who study alone all night every night is the last thing Penn wants - they want nerds who study with other people, run clubs, build the community, and foster debate, all while getting good grades) - and often times the fit/hook you present is what gets you admitted (this is why essays are so important, and the deans announce this to the admitted class every spring at Penn previews). The truth is that your application may make a compelling case for one of the dual/joint programs, but would be nothing special in one of the normal admissions evaluations.</p>
<p>Of course, the chance of this happening is small, and not worth sweating over. This is really more a measure of joint/dual admissions programs - they don't like applicants who aren't genuinely interested in the program and just want another title.</p>
<p>What about the SAT in the admission at LSM? Is SAt for LSM needed to be higher than CAS and Wharton? So it is more difficult to get into LSM than single school Wharton/CAS?</p>
<p>Its all about fit. With that said, I would say that on average the people I met at LSM are more qualified (have higher SATS and more nationally acclaimed awards) than those in any of the single degree programs.</p>
<p>So if 2200 SAT, can I apply? 
Seems like I have no chance if SAT for LSM is above average. I am Asian kid from Vietnam</p>
<p>extracurriculars and essays are way more important than sat scores. 2200 is more than fine if you are great in other areas. for what it’s worth, one of the current LSMers had below 2000 on the SAT.</p>