<p>Just a note, JHU used to have a program like that, but they scrapped it after 7 years or so.</p>
<p>have you checked out GW medical school ranking; why is it so low...i've always heard such awesome things about it??</p>
<p>it's low because they are a growing research facility. however, if you plan on practicing medicine (not pursue a phd) then its top dog.</p>
<p>has anyone mentioned U Pittsburgh? This isn't an accelerated program, but you do get guarunteed admission to a top twenty medical school if you make it. The criteria for an invitation are:</p>
<ol>
<li>declare either bioengineering or pre-med or both on your application</li>
<li>have a 4.0 GPA or be in the top 1% of your graduating class</li>
<li>have a minimum 33 ACT or 1450/1600 SAT</li>
</ol>
<p>I'm not sure what else, but there is no application for this program; it's by invitation only =)</p>
<p>hey, i'm a high school junior.</p>
<p>umm.. i'm kinda confused by this.</p>
<p>do they want people with 100 avgs when you say 4.0 GPA? and also, i thought the SAT score was raised to 2400?</p>
<p>Thank you Sandy Beach. I was surprised, as I never even heard of Pitt's program before.</p>
<p>here's the link:</p>
<p>University</a> of Pittsburgh: Undergraduate Admissions & Financial Aid</p>
<p>The requirements are reasonable. Pitt is decentl (top 20 ) ranked in both clinical and research rankings. It's undergrad, however, is #60, which, flatly, sucks. This is the reason why it is not such a widely-sought-after program.</p>
<p>if you meet the guidelines, then you may be selected for the program. there is no separate app, from my understanding.</p>
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<p>sidenote: University of Rochester has a fantastic clinical ranking (around #10)
also note: Brown has a crappy med school at this time because it is only 10 years old. in the future, it's med school will likely improve dramatically as it establishes itself.</p>
<p>my new ranking:</p>
<p>Washington University in St. Louis University Scholars Program*
Rice/Baylor**
Vanderbilt ENGAGE**
Northwestern HPME
U Rochester REMS**
Case PPSP***
University of Pittsburg***
Brown PLME
Ohio State Early Admissions Pathway (in-state only)***
BU***</p>
<p>largely based on med school rankings (slight preference given to research ranking), some consideration given to quality of first 4 years of undergrad.</p>
<ul>
<li>denotes amount/difficulty of merit scholarships</li>
</ul>
<p>Rice >>>>> Wash U.
Baylor slightly > than Wash U., in my opinion, because BCM is in the med center (which is amazing) and the wash u. med school just seems to pad their stats by only taking ridiculously high mcat scorers.</p>
<p>I'm not sure how other schools do GPA's, but at my hs, an A is a 4.0, a B is a 3.0, and so on. I don't think it means you need a 100% average because I definately don't have that =)</p>
<p>and yes, the SAT was raised to 2400, but they don't look at your writing score. There still are quite a few school that ignore the writing portion of the SAT, and I guess U Pitt is one of them</p>
<p>First of all, BU and Pitt have around the same undergrad ranking at 57 and 59, so I think its a bit much to say that it sucks. Also as a public university, it has quite a decent rank. 2nd, washu is not really a program, the requirements are ridiculous. 3rd, vandy Engage i think accepts around 1-2 people per year, so not really realistic, and not much of a program. I would put USC in the list, ahead of BU. It has a much more prestigious undergrad, and the med schools are equally good.</p>
<p>BU and Pitt are similar in overall ranking, but BU's engineering program is much better than Pitt's. I only know that because I applied as a bioengineering major to both schools. That could be what John is talking about</p>
<p>Yeah, I was going to ask where USC's program fits into all of this. I know that the West Coast can tend to get ignored in the rankings, but Keck is starting to establish itself as one of the most advanced medical schools in the country.</p>
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BU and Pitt are similar in overall ranking, but BU's engineering program is much better than Pitt's. I only know that because I applied as a bioengineering major to both schools. That could be what John is talking about
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<p>But, Pitt's medical schools is much higher regarded. If you're interested in being a doctor, that should be your main concern.</p>
<p>As for WashU's requirements being too high, it's a freakin' Top 5 school. What'd you expect? </p>
<p>Look at the stats of WashU interviewees who weren't accepted into WashU:</p>
<p>Wash</a> U...not about their GPA/MCAT mean - Student Doctor Network Forums</p>
<p>Makes you appreciate the 3.8/36 leniency a little more.</p>
<p>Sorry, I was thinking about it from my point of view =) I'm looking at bioengineering/biomedical engineering undergraduate and then on to med school, so I made decisions about school based on their undergraduate programs. Yes Pitt's med school is much better, which is why I'm so excited to have an interview there. My thought was that a well rounded education is important, so people should consider both undergraduate and graduate level competancy. Also, there is no guaruntee that a person will be accepted to a medical school after their undergraduate years, so attending a good undergraduate program is important. And one more point (sorry if it seems like I'm ranting... I'm not trying to) being ranked 60th isn't bad at all considering how many good schools there are. And... haha I'm still going... the US News rankings are based on their own scale; it's more important to decide where you will fit in the best and perform the best in order to make the best case when you're applying to medical school. I have talked to a lot of doctors--some just out of medical school and their residancy--and they say where you go as an undergraduate is not crucial as long as you make the most of it. Going to a top school is great, but concentrating on the quality of your education is also important.</p>
<p>yes, I can't believe I forgot Keck. I recently heard of someone applying to 15 programs, and heard that there was a total 30-some programs around the nation. that is a lot! Probably a lot of them are no-name schools. However, if anyone knows any others (reasonably respectable schools), please chime in. Let's make this list as reasonably comprehensive as possible.</p>
<p>Washington University in St. Louis University Scholars Program*
Rice/Baylor**
Vanderbilt ENGAGE**
Northwestern HPME
U Rochester REMS**
Case PPSP***
University of Pittsburg***
Brown PLME
USC (Keck) **
Ohio State Early Admissions Pathway (in-state only)***
BU***</p>
<p>largely based on med school rankings (slight preference given to research ranking), some consideration given to quality of first 4 years of undergrad.</p>
<ul>
<li>denotes amount/difficulty of merit scholarships</li>
</ul>
<p>I think Keck is an up and coming med school too, like brown. plus USC is a great undergrad, education-wise as well as experience-wise</p>
<p>thanks for the recent comments. finally, this thread is coming back to life.
I agree that Wash U has tough requirements. Can anyone attempt to compare a 36/45 MCAT to an ACT/SAT score? I know they are very different. I also agree with NorcalGuy that, even with these stats, you might not be able to get into Wash U's med school. There is certainly a point to being in the program. (unfortunately, this year's selection has come and gone, and I did not, nor did I expect to, get it).</p>
<p>I hate to put OSU on there since it's only in-state, but it's too important of a med school to leave off.</p>
<p>Its a good list, I still hesitate to even put vandy on the list because it is not really a program. I would put Rice/Baylor on top, due to the fact that the program is more established as well as baylor med school being almost as highly ranked as washu's. Also, the requirements are much better, Rice is great about merit scholarships, and baylor med school is like 10k in state tuition. (If you are factoring costs into the equation). I still wish I had applied to rice/baylor this year. Finally, I dont know much about REMS, but purely based on rankings, it should not be so high on the list. USC and Brown have higher undergrad rankings, and virtually the same med school rankings as Rochester. Pitt's med school is much higher ranked and so is Case Western's. You should also include the UCSD program. (I think in-state only), its med school is top 15.
Also, Brown med school has been around for about 30 years, and the PLME is also a very highly regarded program. I know someone who matriculated into the program in the early 80s, so it is quite established.</p>
<p>As for the whole washu requirement thing, I agree that it is a very highly ranked school, I am just saying the requirements, mostly the GPA, are a little too high for a combined program.</p>
<p>From what I know, OSU EAP is not in-state only. It does not mention this anywhere on the website. IT IS National Merit Finalist only though.</p>
<p>Yeah, I heard the UCSD program is crazy good, but it's by invite only for CA residents.</p>
<p>Am interested in the RPI/ALbany combined program because of its focus on research and the fact that one can opt for a PhD program in the 2nd year of medical school( extending the program to 10 years!) RPI is a top tier school..not sure about Albany medical school. However reading this forum not many people seems to have considered or included this program in their ranking...any partuicular reason?
What are the pros and the cons of this program?</p>
<p>Look up posts by gangsta, from a couple of years ago, he makes many good points about this program. I applied this year and was accepted, I'm not sure If I will attend. The program has a great alumni network and is well developed, one of the pros. It also has a great research focus, so after 4 years of med school you will graduate with a distinction in research no matter what. I did not think the med school facility itself was very impressive when I saw it during my interview, and Albany is not the greatest city, but I guess that just depends on the person. You have to major in biology during undergrad, which could be a pro or a con. The requirements are very leinient, you only have to keep a 3.4 GPA and no MCAT.</p>
<p>albany is not a good med school, and rpi is only decent, though it is agressively trying to improve</p>
<p>good point about UCSD</p>
<p>I would have no problem with Rice/Baylor on top. It's a much more friendly program.</p>
<p>I put Rochester high because they have a unique program which emphasizes practice with patient contact, which gives it its #13 clinical ranking.</p>
<p>inthemoney, thanks for the post. I guess I was misinformed about the age of Brown's med school. why do think Brown doesn't have a better med school then, considering its elite undergrad?</p>
<p>johnstoops you're probly right about EAP.</p>
<p>thanks for correcting my many errors.</p>
<p>feel free to makes changes to the list or post your own.</p>