Admissions Statistics More Forgiving Than Boardmongers?

<p>For the Class of 2008:</p>

<p>Number of Applications: 11,734
Number of Accepted Students: 2,173
Number of Matriculating Students: 1,077
SAT Verbal Range, middle 50% for matriculating students: 670 - 760
SAT Math Range, middle 50% for matriculating students: 680 – 780
ACT Range, middle 50% for matriculating students: 27-33
Percentage of matriculating students who were:</p>

<p>Valedictorians: 25.9%
Salutatorians: 8.5%
In top 10% of their high school graduating class: 88%
Percentage of matriculating students who attended:</p>

<p>Public School: 63.0%
Private School: 31.5%
Parochial School: 5.6% </p>

<p>These statistics clearly point to an average much more forgiving than people on this board tend to believe. 1350 is the 25th percentile while 1540 is the 75th. Is it just me, or do many people act like one will not be accepted without 1500+ SATs? As someone with SATs of 1410 and ACTs of 32, I am comforted by these statistics. Should I be? (Near perfect GPA, hardest classes possible, great recs, great ECs, etc.) I do not wish to post another "what are my chances thread", I am merely curious as to the value of my scores when compared to last year's average. My interviewer told me they were solid scores. Are they usually honest about that kind of thing?</p>

<p>While I haven't had an interview, I did attend one of the regional informational sessions and the presenter STRESSED the fact that "low" SAT scores should not make you reconsider applying, that 1300's, although low for Ivy League Admissions, were good, solid scores for Dartmouth. I believed her and applied, let's see come April how "honest" they are about those things.</p>

<p>Those are just the numbers for matriculating students. If you saw the numbers of ACCEPTED students, you'd probably croak. Also, while a 1300ish score isn't bad, you statistically have a lower chance with it. I'm not saying it will keep you out, but I am saying that the percentage of students accepted with <1400 is lower than that of students with >1400.</p>

<p>If you go to the admissions stat link, at the top You will find the link for Dartmouth's common Data set which the school put out each year. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eoir/pdfs/cds_200405_02.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dartmouth.edu/~oir/pdfs/cds_200405_02.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>It has the Freshman profile:</p>

<p>Provide percentages for ALL enrolled, degree-seeking, full-time and part-time, first-time, first-year (freshman) students enrolled in fall 2004, including students who began studies during summer, international students/nonresident aliens, and students admitted under special arrangements.</p>

<p>Percent and number of first-time, first-year (freshman) students enrolled in fall 2004 who submittednational standardized (SAT/ACT) test scores. Include information for ALL enrolled, degree-seeking, first-time, first-year (freshman) students who submitted test scores.</p>

<p>Percent submitting SAT scores 90% 968
Percent submitting ACT scores 10% 110</p>

<p>...........................25th Percentile...... 75th Percentile
SAT Verbal ..............670.......................770
SAT Math ...............690.......................780
ACT Composite.........28 ..........................34</p>

<pre><code> SAT Verbal SAT Math
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<p>700-800 .................65.4% .................................69.7%
600-699 .................27.2% .................................24.5%
500-599 ..................7.0% ...................................5.2%
400-499 ..................0.3% ...................................0.5%
300-399
200-299
Totals should = 100% .99.9% ................................99.9%
Number submitting SAT scores
Number submitting ACT scores
Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:</p>

<p>this is of the accepted students's status correct? or is this the applicants' status?
i only have a 600V, and 700 writing, which comes out to be the same percentile, anyway, i was wondering wat percentiles really mean? for example, when the 670 verbal is the 25th percentile, does that mean only 25% of the ppl scored lower than 670?</p>

<p>That is correct.</p>

<p>Well, theoretically it does.... but there could be a few very low people bringing it down.</p>

<p>You know what they say about statistics! What is overlooked when looking at these percentiles is that percentiles are more "predictive" if they follow a bell curve or normal distribution.
Look at the freshman profile:
25% of students have math scores within a 20 point range (780-800)
50%................ have math scores within a 90 point range (690-780)
25% are theoretically in the bottom 400 point range</p>

<p>All that really tells you is that scores are heavily skewed to the right, and if you have 700+ scores your likelihood of admission is greater than if you had 600+ scores.</p>

<p>But you already know that if you had a 1600 rather than a 1410, you would have a better chance - you want to know, roughly what your chance is.</p>

<p>The piece of info that is always missing is a breakdown of percentiles based on total score, that graph would be a little closer to a normal distribution, centered I would guess at around 1460.</p>

<p>By the way, I think your ACT score is a little better than SAT, I hope you sent it in!</p>

<p>Yeah, I definitely sent it out... What is a 32 equivalent too? Is a 36 on the ACTs considered better than a 1600 on the SATs? I'd think a 36 would be harder to accomplish.</p>

<p>A 36 numerically is = to 1600, but I agree it is harder to accomplish, and not just because fewer peole take the test.
35 = about 1570
34 = about 1540
33 = ?1470
32 = ?1440
<a href="http://www.spartanburg6.k12.sc.us/dhs/Guidance%20website/SAT-ACT%20Conversion%20chart.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.spartanburg6.k12.sc.us/dhs/Guidance%20website/SAT-ACT%20Conversion%20chart.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>here's a link to a conversion chart, although I think 32 is a little closer to 1440 than 1390. Try googling ACT conversion chart for some more examples.</p>

<p>about 250 a year get a 36, vs 939 for a 1600. I'm not sure which tests more kids. ACT is huge in midwest.</p>

<p>Yeah, my friend got a 1590 on his SATs and only a 31 on his ACTs. Not that that's a bad score, but doesn't compare to his 1590. It was the science section that brought him down apparently. And, while he got an 800 on SAT math, I believe he only scored a 32 in ACT math.</p>

<p>LOL why would you take the ACT if you already got a 1590? :p</p>

<p>And what about SAT IIs? How much weight does Dartmouth put on those?</p>

<p>SATII's end up being used for placement</p>

<p>Only for placement? Not for the admission decision?</p>

<p>PS- my 1,400th post is officially given to the Dartmouth board! :D</p>

<p>Congrats, </p>

<p>That is not to say your SAT II's won't be a factor in your admissions decisions. Because the SATII's are pretty consistent in the body of knowledge they cover, they can help to validate a grade that you received in a class in your school ( there are as many grading policies as there are H.S.'s in the country). If you got a string of 100's in mathand your math sat score is 200, then yes, there is a bit of a discrepancy..</p>

<p>It's important to put SATIIs in proper perspective. They are important. In computing the applicant's "AI", or Academic Index, the school essentially adds up all five submitted SATs (SAT Verbal, SAT Math, and the three SAT IIs) and divides them by 5. That number is then added to a computation of the applicant's grades-in-context (based on class size and other factors) to compute the student's AI.</p>

<p>So SAT IIs are as important taken together as the SAT I. </p>

<p>Also, when looking at the SAT 25th and 75th percentile range, remember that those matriculated students who have the scores at the lower end of the range usually have some other unusual characteristic which makes them attractive to the admissions team: recruited athletes and underrepresented ethnic groups in particular, but also applicants with challenging backgrounds and environments growing up, famous or rich parents, or an exceptionally unusual talent of some kind. If you are a "standard" white applicant from a middle to upper middle class background with college educated parents, one who has attended a good school, one who has had the usual suburban advantages in life, and one who is not a recruited athlete -- your chances of admission with a lower AI, including lower range SATs, are low.</p>