<p>Yale legacy students have made up between 13 and 16 percent of incoming classes in the last 10 years.
in 2008, The Princeton university admitted 40.2 percent
[Top</a> Colleges Mum on Legacy Admissions - ABC News](<a href=“Top Colleges Mum on Legacy Admissions - ABC News”>Top Colleges Mum on Legacy Admissions - ABC News)</p>
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<p>Underrepresented Minority = African American, Hispanic, and Native American.</p>
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that is outrageous</p>
<p>^It is very outrageous and one of the many discriminatory admission practices instituted by upper-echelon universities.</p>
<p>Agreed. Though it may be viewed as somewhat reasonable from an institutional standpoint, it simply seems like a ludicrous and undeserved advantage given to certain applicants based on the merits and decisions of their parents. </p>
<p>Anyways, only half the applicant pool has above a 2100? That seems rather low. However, when interpreting that, one has to remember that there were people with <2100 scores admitted (Princeton has the exact percentages of how many in a certain range of scores were admitted) so the fact that there only is 11000 applicants with a 2100+ SAT doesn’t mean that there were only 11000 competitive applicants.</p>
<p>^ You have to understand the context. Most of the admitted students with a below 2100 SAT are probably athletes, legacies, URMs [but not all URMs, don’t get technical with me ;(], or people with other hooks. Let’s put it this way: If you applied to Princeton, would you like your odds better in the 2100+ group, or would you like them better in the sub-2100 group.</p>
<p>^yes but what motion is saying is that we are not ONLY competing with the 2100+ group because a significant number of applicants ARE (unfortunately, and in my opinion unrightfully) admitted from the sub-2100 group.</p>
<p>^ Yes but on the whole how many of those sub-2100’s are actually strong applicants and how many are kids thinking “oh what the hell” and throwing their hat in the ring?</p>
<p>Also how many of the 2100 - 2400 students are actually strong applicants and how many of them are grade rubbers who think that high GPA and SATs are bona fide hooks?</p>
<p>If only colleges wouldn’t simply provide us with SAT ranges and (sometimes) with GPA ranges, but rather the two combined. For instance:</p>
<p>3.9-4.0 GPA 2300-2400 SAT I 35%
3.8-3.9 GPA 2300-2400 SAT I 25%, etc.</p>
<p>It’d be a long list and still wouldn’t tell us that much because it would leave out all the subjective factors, but it would definitely give a better picture of the academic quality of the applicant pool. Of course, it could be possible that the applicant pool (at most schools) is actually not as strong as is perceived and that is the reason that schools don’t release the number of students with X GPA AND Y SAT scores because that number is, possibly, rather low. While I doubt that is true, it certainly is a possibility.</p>
<p>^I agree. there are a lot of people who are brilliant, but dont try in school so they have a low GPA but high SAT. then there are those average-intelligence hard workers who have a high GPA but cant get a good SAT score.</p>
<p>^^ Because grades are different at different places and different for different teachers. What it takes to get an A is different at New England Prep Schools, Magnet Schools, Catholic Schools, Public Schools, Private Schools etc. (Sports metaphor time) A batter’s RBI very much depends just on his position in the lineup and on the quality of the players around him as much as the quality of the batter himself.</p>
<p>^Princeton releases GPA statistics. For instance, they say that X% of students between 3.9-4.0 GPA got admitted, Y% of students between 3.8-3.9 GPA got admitted, etc. While I agree that it negates the importance of putting the GPA in context of not only the school a student attends, but the personal circumstances of the student (as well as whether or not the student had an upward trend or not), but it gives us a slightly better view of the academic quality of the applicant pool (though not a complete one).</p>
<p>^ I haven’t seen the data but unless it gives data that is different to what I expect then I don’t see how it can give a better view on the applicant pool.</p>
<p>[1](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/admission/applyingforadmission/admission_statistics/]Princeton”>http://www.princeton.edu/admission/applyingforadmission/admission_statistics/)</p>
<p>Also, does anyone know an institution that releases any admissions data concerning SAT subject tests?</p>
Princeton</a> University | Admission Statistics ↩︎
<p>^ The gap between 4.0 and the 3.9s suprises me a bit, but the data isn’t all that helpful unless they say what percentage of applicants have GPAs of X. As for the SAT stats, IMHO 2300 - 2400 ad 2100 - 2290 are FAR too large columns to be useful…</p>
<p>really useful info motion (thxz) and here is something I found for # of applicants this year.</p>
<p>Princeton’s applications for freshman admission increased by 19 percent, while the number of applicants to Harvard, the most selective college in the Ivy League, rose 5 percent.</p>
<p>Applications to Yale slipped less than 1 percent to 25,800. Harvard received about 30,500 applications and Princeton got 26,166. </p>
<p>Applications at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia increased by 17 percent to 26,800, Eric J. Furda, dean of admissions, said today.
[Princeton</a> Surge Beats Harvard as Applications Soar (Update2) - Bloomberg.com](<a href=“Bloomberg Politics - Bloomberg”>Bloomberg Politics - Bloomberg)</p>
<p>MIT gives statistics for Subject Tests. I believe they have 730/800 as the 25/75 for both Math and Science subject tests.</p>
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<p>completely true and i dont understand why so many people refuse to admit this. some think the prejudice they face is because of skin color but thats a complete crap thought process.</p>
<p>I wonder if MIT’s ranges are the same as Yale’s ranges.</p>
<p>On a 1600 scale</p>
<p>Harvard University 1495
Yale University 1495
Princeton University 1485
MIT 1470
Columbia University 1450
Stanford University 1445
Dartmouth College 1440
Northwestern University 1435
University of Pennsylvania1430
Brown University 1430
University of Chicago 1430
Cornell University 1395
Georgetown University 1395</p>
<p>Reading Average/ Math Average</p>
<p>Harvard University 745/ 740
Yale University 750/ 740
Princeton University 740/ 745
MIT 710/ 760
Columbia University 725/ 730
Stanford University 705/ 730
Dartmouth College 715/ 725
Northwestern University 710/ 735
University of Pennsylvania 695/ 730
Brown University 705/ 725
University of Chicago 715/ 705
Cornell University 680/ 720
Georgetown University 695/ 705</p>
<p>Writing Average</p>
<p>Harvard University 740
Yale University 745
Princeton University 735
MIT 705
Columbia University 730
Stanford University 715
Dartmouth College 725
Northwestern University 710
University of Pennsylvania 705
Brown University 715
University of Chicago Dont Consider
Cornell University Dont Consider
Georgetown University Dont Consider</p>