<p>no, most students watch more, but i just dont. And no, i dont pay CU tv for cable. The newspaper is a much more effective source for world news. We get free copies of USA Today and the New York Times.</p>
<p>If anyone cares Bakke (all this info is thanks to my good friend Lexis-Nexis) was about an affirmative action program at the UC Davis med school that set aside 16 spots for minorities. A white applicant (Allan Bakke) applied and got rejected because he was less qualified than the 84 white applicants that were admitted but he was still more qualified than the 16 URMs who were admitted. He sued and, long story short, the court rules its a violation of the 14th Ammendment to procedurally deny people spots at a school through quotas based on arbitrary factors.</p>
<p>Gomestar and Sparticus: You both should join this committee! You're naturals for it! I don't know if you can access the article without being a member of the NYTimes though. </p>
<p>Excerpt below:</p>
<p>NYTimes.com
April 22, 2006
Cornell's Worried Image Makers Wrap Themselves in Ivy</p>
<p>By ALAN FINDER
ITHACA, N.Y. Cornell has been a member of the Ivy League for decades, but some of its students have Ivy envy.</p>
<p>So driven by a sense that Cornell is underappreciated, some of them banded together to form an "image committee," making it their mission to press the university into marketing and branding itself more aggressively, and to help it climb higher in college rankings.</p>
<p>Their fear is being viewed as a country cousin to Harvard, Yale and Princeton, more like a Midwestern flagship state university than a core member of a prestigious club. "Because of when most people go to college, their identity becomes closely associated with the identity of their university," said Peter Cohl, a committee founder who graduated last spring and is now working on Madison Avenue.</p>
<p>Let the college's standing drop in publications that rank universities, he said, and "my value as a human being feels like it's dropping." (Cornell is now ranked 13th among national universities by U.S. News & World Report.)</p>
<p>"We deserve more respect," said Heather Grantham, a senior who is now co-chairwoman of the image committee. "I am glad I came here," she added, "and it saddens us if it's not properly marketed."</p>
<p>It is an odd bit of role reversal. Marketing and honing an image have become commonplace among university presidents and admissions deans these days. But it is rare to hear students speaking the same language.</p>
<p>In this case, the committee, which was formed four years ago and now has about 50 members, successfully lobbied administrators to jettison a relatively new logo, which featured a large, bright red box with the word Cornell in modern typeface, and to revert to a simplified version of the old circular logo, with a crest and other traditional symbols.</p>
<p>Gomestar...so you transferred somewhere else after OCC before going to Cornell?</p>
<p>Where is Sparticus? What college did u go to before cornell gomestar?</p>
<p>no, most of my credits were from SU. Dual-enrollment is possible between Syracuse University and the nearby community college. I just did stuff like intro bio and english at the CC while i did upper-level classes at SU. I accumulated like 60 credits in two semesters.</p>
<p>Are NY applicants favoured for admission over out of state applicatants, in the contract colleges? I read somewhere the CALS has a majority of NY students...what does that imply?</p>
<p>no, they are not favored. </p>
<p>The larger % of NYS residents is a reflection of the fact that the schools are cheaper for NYS students so they apply there over CAS.</p>
<p>Thanks...and is it true that financial aid packages tend to be better at endowed colleges than contract colleges?</p>
<p>i think to an extent. If a student is worthy of a huge aid package, they'll get it regardless of which college they're enrolled in. But, the reduced tution is considered like financial aid from new york state. A student who qualifies for $20K in grants from CAS wont automatically get $20K from CALS. They take the difference in tuition into account.</p>
<p>Oh yeah Gomestar...I forgot about the SU thing. Do you know if they give financial aid for dual enrollment or do you have to pay for the part-time classes at SU?</p>
<p>gomestar, thanks for all the info! I'm a parent, and visited Cornell last week with my daughter, who's a h.s. junior. She's interested in CALS for environmental science, but it seems even harder to get into than Arts and Sciences. Do you know where we can find a breakdown of the admissions stats broken down by school? If it's that hard to get into CALS, maybe she would have a better chance with Arts and Sciences. We're NYS residents.</p>
<p>thefreshprince - i had a nice scholarship for my SU classes. I didnt both applying for aid (since I probably wouldn't get it!).</p>
<p>macnyc - browse the cornell website, i'll try to look for it this afternoon (have to run to class soon)</p>
<p>macnyc: CALS doesn't release stats for specific majors other than AEM.</p>
<p>Thanks, Tahoe, but what I was looking for was the acceptance rate of CALS as opposed to the rates at other Cornell schools, like Arts and Sciences. It seems to me that CALS is much harder to get into. I haven't had a chance to hunt around yet.</p>
<p>Sorry macnyc... here's the breakdown for the class of 2009. You have to do the percentiles yourself though!<br>
<a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a></p>
<p>macnyc - no school is really ultra-competitive to get into against another. There have been several threads on which one is the hardest to get into, and nobody has ever produced a clear answer. I'd say apply to the school and the program your daughter is interested in. Admissions will see if your daughter actually has any interest in the program/major she's applying to. If she has an interest in environmental sciences, by all means apply to CALS. It's better to try your best and be rejected from the program you want rather than be rejected by CAS for not showing enough interest. If i were here, i'd get involved in some type of environmental science related activity and prepare for the soon approaching admissions process. If Cornell is her top-choice apply early decision. This will also give her a nice boost when it comes to admissions chances. Either way, best of luck, and feel free to ask any other questions about Cornell.</p>
<p>here's the info you were looking for. I couldnt' find it online. This is for the class of 2009 (so sort of old). </p>
<p>Arts and Sciences:
Applications: 12,357
Acceptances: 2,687</p>
<p>College of Agriculture and Life Sciences:
Apps: 3,491
Admits: 1,021</p>
<p>Tahoe and gomestar, thanks a lot for the into! I agree that my daughter should apply where the fit is best. That seems to be CALS.</p>