<p>"If you go to a top college but you do not take hard classes but rather take easy classes in an effort to boost your GPA, you are not getting the full experience of college"</p>
<p>Theworld,</p>
<p>The "full college experience" is much more than academics. I am looking forward to meeting amazing people, parties, throwing toast at football games, stimulating ECs and experiencing the city of Philadelphia.</p>
<p>I know that full college experience is more than just academics. But face it, you did not apply for an Ivy League school and get in just to party, you mainlly (I hope) went there for the academics. Sure the environment is a factor as well, but college is about learning as well. Or is everyone forgetting that for some reason.</p>
<p>No reason you can't do both.</p>
<p>I think you get a sense of the two students bodies just reading the posts. The Princeton poster is clearly pompous and using unnecessary verbage to express relatively simple points (on an anonymous message board). He/she represents the the Princeton stereotype of being elitist but not quite elite, insecure about his or her own rank among intellectuals. The HYP term has been popularized almost exclusively by driven/envious though less spectacular members of the Princeton community. Harvard and Yale are still the standard in terms of excellence at the undergraduate level in all forms. On the surface, Princeton seems like an oustanding school (beautiful campus, attractive student body for the Ivy League, no professional schools, nice suburban location, etc.), but it doesn't have the same "heart and soul" of its peers (imo). Penn students tend to be more level-headed, down-to-earth, smart but not cocky about it, and it's an urban school with a vibrant social environment. Both are great schools academically but in terms of personalities, it seems based on anecdotal evidence alone that I would prefer going to college with Penn students. Princeton has great financial aid though and more layman prestige (for those not in Wharton).</p>
<p>with all due respect, david, i think you're just seeing what you want to see. strange, though, that you'd roll out the stereotypes about princeton when you went to a self-described "elite prep school" yourself and have decried ivy stereotypes elsewhere on this site as "very outdated." but then, i don't get either why you'd defend penn here, after paying it the following tribute just the other day:</p>
<p>"It's funny how Penn people are quick to say it's an 'Ivy'. Penn is not Harvard or Yale and prospective students should know that. Penn uses its Ivy status like Star Jones used her celebrity status to pay for her wedding."</p>
<p>but really, i suggest you go back and read my posts in order. the first ten or so either had nothing to do with princeton, or only served to correct other posters' misinformation about it. only after that, when one quaker "logician" got huffy about the idea that princeton has a stronger student body, did things devolve into "verbage" ("verbiage" is the word you want).</p>
<p>Kind of embarrassing to be stooping to a p*ssing contest with Penn hopefuls, scottie!</p>
<p>Princeton actually <em>needs</em> Penn. </p>
<p>The Princetonian has encouraged Princeton to seek a formal "rivalry" relationship with Penn, as it is sort of the odd man out in the HYP troika.</p>
<p>"stooping"? well, i guess we know where YOU stand on the OP's question and the topic at issue. as for any embarrassment, well, it's no more embarrassing than having 6,000 posts on a college message board at your (unidentified) age.</p>
<p>Sounds like you <em>are</em> a little embarrassed, scottie ... lashing out in such a manner! And you an "eating club" man!</p>
<p>Personally, I think Penn and Princeton are both fine schools (after all, they are Ivies, right?) and would be a great fit as "rivals."</p>
<p>Ah, two old grads bickering. How cute.</p>
<p>"old grads"? i'll have you know that byerly and i are nowhere near in age. in fact, we graduated in different millennia.</p>
<p>Indeed, as his erratic posting on CC discloses, scottie still has a lot of growing up to do.</p>
<p>byerly's discloses that he still has a lot of <em>moving on</em> to do.</p>
<p>I will not respond in kind.</p>
<p>Oh, stop it.</p>
<p>kk19131,**** you!Why do you have a Philadelphia zip code in your username?</p>
<p>Anyway, she'd probably have a better chance at UPenn.Princeton is significantly harder to get into.</p>
<p>P.S. I noticed that you used the phrase "genius-level".I just wanted to point out that IQ scores and grades correlate,but neither determines the other. My GPA is only 3.65,but my IQ is 162. Many of my peers have lower IQs yet possess higher GPAs.Point is,not every genius is guaranteed a 4.0,and not every student with a 4.0 is a genius.</p>
<p>NOTE:I know it's a late post.</p>
<p>You're judging thousands of people based a few very close numbers. Regardless of the numbers, you seem to have forgotten something very important.You are trying to prove that Princeton students are smarter than UPenn students using statistics about assessments that test knowledge.You've neglected intelligence.Intelligence isn't tested on any high school standardized test or college assessment. Theoretically, a student with an IQ of 178 could achieve very little in his or her academic career.Not everyone who performs well in school is a genius,and not everyone who doesn't shine as much in school is intellectually inferior.</p>
<p>Main Point:You cannot accurately judge one's true level of "smartness". Therefore,your argument is nullified.While the place of education is important, it's certainly not the only determinant in success of "smartness".</p>
<p>Personally,choosing UPenn isn't so much about prestige. Bsides, it's ranked 15th in the world and 7th (should be 5 bcuz there are 3 schools that share the 4th spot) in the US.That ain't bad.I've been to MIT.I've spoken with admissions officers about my chances.They're pretty good.If academics are the basis of your argument,I contend that MIT is arguably the most rigorous school in the US,if not the world. MIT trumps Princeton.Still,I choose UPenn.It doesn't have the elitist attitude like HYP.MIT is VERY close tho.What's more,H/Y/P is too...quiet.I'm goin' to the social Ivy.</p>
<p>Good night,folks</p>
<p>Some useless tidbits:</p>
<p>-Orange and black are really, really tacky
-the mythical 'average' pton student might be 'stronger' than the average penn student, but there are so many exceptions to the rule (wild deviations from the mean) that it's next to useless to assume the Princeton kid is smarter than the Penn kid. I got 1580/1600 on my SAT, which makes me 'stronger' than most Princeton students.
-I'm lazy, and Princeton's campus is too spread out.
-Penn has an exciting future ahead of it.
-f.scottie is a poophead, but only a little bit of one. after all he was polite enough to acknowledge penn's improvements and bright future.
-I am awesome
-Mengcheng will read this at some point</p>
<p>I favor UPENN.Comparisons with some numbers can become insignificant when the numbers are already high. I mean, who cares if one school averages x and the other averaverages x+.25?When you get over those virtually insignificant numbers,you'll see one very significant difference--acceptance rate. UPenn is less of a reach,yet it's of comparable quality.UPenn wins.Bsides,I need an urban area.</p>
<p>NOTE:My views are obviously subjective. Some will choose UPenn.Some will choose Princeton. Indivilduals are capable of making their own decisions. Not even Harvard has a 100% yield rate.You would think accepted applicants would have to be crazy not to enroll,but they have their reasons.I'd choose UPenn over any school.</p>
<p>EDIT:Haha...poophead...classic juevenile humor.So simple,yet so powerful.</p>
<p>My hallmate chose Penn (SAS) over Harvard. So they do exist...just not in large numbers.</p>
<p>Many people would shoot me if I reply to that statement in the way that I want to with respect to how I initially chose Penn, but it's tacky.</p>