<p>What is this, from post 63-- "And Younghoss, yes she is hardworking and responsible. Accepting responsibility is not new to her and if she goes to her professor and does that, hoping for some mercy, that does not make her a bad person. It’s not really a favor, since the deadline was 7, not 6:50 . "</p>
<p>I have no reason to believe she isn’t typically a responsible person. I have no reason to believe she isn’t typically hardworking. I have no reason to believe she doesn’t typically take rsponsibility for her actions. I certainly did not say she’s a bad person, and I don’t think anyone on this thread has said so. Where did that come from? If you want to disagree with me that’s fine, but disagree with what I’ve said, don’t just make things up.
I believe in this instance, this student did not plan well, counting on everything working perfectly to get the assignment submitted the last minute. It didn’t work. The favor I alluded to was seeking extra time now to submit work that wasn’t submitted by the 7 pm deadline. It is true I don’t know her schedule for the 168 hours or so that she had to do the quiz. But having been a young college student myself once, I find it hard to imagine the very last hour of that time period was her only opportunity to take the quiz. Even here in my home I experience times when the net works slower than other times. Hasn’t every computer user experienced this?</p>
<p>Continuing with previous analogies, I’d liken it to a guy driving to work in the a.m. He leaves home just in time to make the drive and get there on time. He takes his usual route. But this time, an accident blocks the roadway and he is delayed 15 minutes. It’s unfortunate for him, as he allotted just enough time at the last minute to get there, but he is still late for work. He may have penalty for being late. Out of his hands? Sort of. He didn’t cause the accident. But he knew the importance and possible penalty for being late, yet chose to leave at the last minute wearing blinders to the idea that there might be a delay. Learning to allow extra time for an important deadline is certainly not limited to computer use, it’s an all-around good idea.</p>
<p>I know from an earlier thread that “younghoss” is actually “just-heading-into-middle-age-or-so-hoss.” So to reply to the comment by younghoss, I think that people of our vintage have a lot of experience with computer’s crashing. I’ve learned about backing up files and submitting early the hard way, years ago. The next generation has generally had much more reliable computers–far fewer ominous black screens and glyphs of printer death to deal with. QMP’s faith in the op system makes me nervous. The allowances for possible hardware/software issues that seem natural to us probably seem much less natural to current college students.</p>
<p>The better cobrat example would have been that the client arrived at the courthouse with 10 minutes to spare, then the elevator got stuck between floors for 11 minutes. Then what?<br>
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<p>This would be different if the student tried to access the test 3 days before the deadline, had issues, tried the next day, had issues, called IT- and was told it was a random fluke, try again later, if the student informed the teacher she was having issues-- and the net-net is she finally gets through on the last hour of the last day, only to get dumped. </p>
<p>I respect OP’s daughter’s strengths, no question there. But she did take a string of chances- that the whole system wouldn’t have crashed, that there wouldn’t have been a power outage or fire alarm, a delay logging in, a problem with her own laptop, etc-- all sorts of things that we have all experienced.</p>
<p>Also, in fairness- having worked in the computer world- no question in my mind that we here are more savvy to this risk than our kids. More aware of how things interconnect and we have already experienced our share of issues. So, we plan differently- or at least have a different view of the need to plan for contingencies.</p>
<p>I don’t blame the prof. I do understand OP’s daughter made what she thought was a reasonable plan.</p>
<p>Btw, isn’t it the Fafsa that warns that last minute apps can encounter network congestion?</p>
<p>Back in the dark ages, I had a big project due in an architectural design class. I was still working on it the night before I was supposed to turn it in. The power went out, and I couldn’t finish it (even though I was drafting it with pen and paper, I needed light to see!). I explained the situation to my professor, and he had NO sympathy. I got a poor grade on the assignment. Learned my lesson!</p>
<p>LF, not only FAFSA, but many applications do as well. When I was applying, I remember a few schools that said technical issues would not be acceptable excuses for missing the deadline. </p>
<p>I wonder if the Common App has a disclaimer.</p>
<p>Quantmech is kind in his wording about me. Yes, I’m just over 50. But I didn’t learn to allow extra time when I had animportant deadline just since I’ve had a pc. I knew it years before that. Broader principles apply here, not just limiting timeliness to pc usage. Getting work in on time, or arriving on time, many examples but all follow the same principle. Honestly, I’d confess that though I know it now, I may not act on it 100% of the time. But whether I act on it or not, I am aware that if I don’t plan well enough, and I’m late, there may be consequences.I don’t blame others for that. I don’t remember, but chances are that I learned this lesson the hard way too(when I really was younghoss!).</p>
<p>So, to answer the Op’s question(post 1) about advice: If student asked me for advice, I’d recommend they not wait until the last minute for deadlines because things can come up that are out of the individual’s control. Then I’d tell student to “take her lumps”, learn and move on. If student didn’t ask me for advice, but merely told me of the situation, I’d try my best not to advise at all.</p>
<p>I agree 100% that OP’s daughter acted reasonably in beginning the quiz at 6:00 pm. I never encounter computer problems myself, so I can fully understand why she would not even contemplate a systems failure. The fact is that she sat down to take the quiz at a time that gave her an adequate window for completion, but for the IT issue. </p>
<p>When you add in the inflexibility for meeting his students at a mutually convenient time, this prof just sounds like he has an axe to grind. My college and grad school profs were among the most helpful and accommodating people I have ever encountered. This guy on the other hand looks like he is out to trip his students up.</p>
<p>Really OP, unless your daughter thinks she will encounter this prof again in her college career, I would say she should discuss it one on one, and take it further up if necessary. Perhaps there is some sort of forum or procedure for resolving these sorts of issues.</p>
<p>When I was a young associate I was responsible for transmitting 500mill worth of securities to a trustee by using the fed wire. They were the collateral for a deal we were closing that day. The wire closed at 4pm and I didn’t get the go ahead for transmission until 3pm. At 3:45 the wire went down, which was a very rare occurrence. I had a choice of telling the MD we were going to fail on the deal or make a call to ask them to extend the time when it came back up. I made the call and got the extension. </p>
<p>The analogy about getting stuck in an elevator or getting stuck in traffic is not the same as the D’s situation. This is not a software selected by the D, the professor chose it, therefore the professor needs to take as much of responsibility as the D. </p>
<p>I am repeating myself now. If it is my D, I would advise her to work it out with the professor, and the outcome should either be dropping that test or let her take it again. I am pretty certain my kids wouldn’t take that B.</p>
<p>oldfort has a similar experience, to be sure. One difference though is the other party of the deal granted the extra time as a courtesy. They weren’t obligated to do so. There would be no evidence of a deliberate attempt to “trip up” oldfort.
I see no harm in oldfort’s asking for add’l time. But I would disagree if someone felt the other party was obligated to provide extra time. And that is what some want here; an expectation that the prof must grant extra time; and if he doesn’t then go to his superiors to try to make him.</p>
<p>As I said before, this prof is teaching, and student is learning much more than just what is in the textbook. It is a part of what some call the “college experience”.</p>
<p>If 10 companies had a deadline of 7pm and you were the only one delayed, would you expect special consideration? In some business deals, the end (the mutual needs) justifies concessions. We had a huge proposal due by 5pm, the rep got there at 4:55- and there was no guard to let her in. At 5, the client went home, the 9 other proposals in his briefcase.</p>
<p>It’s hard to assess what’s fair. OP’s D didn’t choose the software or the way the test was to be handled. But she did choose the time.</p>
<p>I’m hoping this works out- maybe speaking with the TA is a way to gain an advocate.</p>
<p>No, they didn’t want to re-open it, but I told them it was their fault that the wire went down and I didn’t think why my firm had to be penalized for their problem.</p>
<p>But in both cases it is in the best interest of all involved that the courtesy be given, especially since the untimeliness was due to unforseen circumstances. The deal goes through and the student completes the quiz.</p>
<p>Ah, there’s a distinction I see,(post 92) but may be disagreeing with HM1(slightly)
Of course it may have been in the best interest of oldfort’s other party to grant an extension. Even if not, they did grant the courtesy of an extension.
Lookingforward shows an example where they were content to go with the 9 proposals they had and not go to extra measures to see that the 10th one got submitted.
But in the Op’s example, being permitted to submit a quiz late only benefits the student. It lacks the “best interest of all involved”. So, the prof could have accepted it late, but chose not to.</p>
<p>to post 93: Or the prof has to create a new quiz to accomodate the student, and the prof would be unfairly burdened to do that.
And, permitting a late submission could be perceived as unfair to every student that submitted on time.</p>
<p>And that could certainly be perceived as blackmail, couldn’t it? Drop the quiz I missed the deadline on, or I’ll make trouble for you with your superiors. So dropping the grade benefits you, see? (my impression of Ed G Robinson)
I would not be comfortable advising my offspring to do that.</p>
<p>I have a third grader in addition to my college twins. Even in third grade he is penalized one letter grade for turning in an assignment late. By college - and life beyond college - that lesson should have already been learned. She just needs to plan ahead to get the assignnment done on time - despite glitches that may arise. I think she should ask her professor for an extension, but if I were the professor I would be inclined not to give one. He or she would be opening up a slippery slope and once you open the door for one computer glitch then you are faced with all the “dog ate my homework” or power cord or whatever excuses. You have a deadline. It is your responsibilty to get it done by that deadline.</p>
<p>If the professor doesn’t give the extension it probably will be a better lesson for your D than if he does. It sounds as if she is a serious student and will next time get this one done earlier so she has more time to work through any glitches.</p>
<p>Where do some get the idea profs are sitting around waiting to make concessions to students? Yes, many profs are willing to meet kids at a mutually convenient time- but, for whatever reason (and we do not know,) she has said, speak with the TA. I do see that as a backdoor, in the good sense. Try it.</p>