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<p>You fail to see the difference between, on the one had, fraternities and sports teams, and on the other hand, other interest groups? We keep hearing and reading about sexual abuses in fraternities and by members of sports teams, and by members of sports teams in fraternities. But we don’t keep hearing about sexual abuses in French House, or the chess team, or the eco themed housing, for example. Is this a coincidence?</p>
<p>Forcible rape??? As opposed to what kind of rape? Pretty certain rape, by definition, implies force or coercion.</p>
<p>I agree that there are many definitions of sexual assault. But in the UV case we’re discussing it seems pretty clear that the assualt would fit the definition of gang rape. And that should warrant mandatory expulsion. </p>
<p>Seeing that many rapists are actually serial rapists, expulsion at the very least protects the school community. </p>
<p>I know, I’ve been trying to ignore that one It’s a political term. It was used by conservatives in the last election. The ones who thought, you know, “some women just rape easier than others”</p>
<p>So then someone who has the disgusting habit of grabbing women’s breasts doesn’t merit expulsion? </p>
<p>Shawbridge, thanks for the lnk. I like it a lot.</p>
<p>One of my favorite experiments was the one where people blame the victims so their faith in world order is intact.
See that all over the place. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.sociallypsyched.org/item/the-innocent-victim”>http://www.sociallypsyched.org/item/the-innocent-victim</a></p>
<p>Momofthreeboys, I have no idea what you are talking about in post 238 and it night be better that way. :)</p>
<p>I’m trying to understand why mediation would ever be thought to be appropriate in the case of accused sexual assault. </p>
<p>“Dad, I went to a frat party and this dude kept grabbing my breasts, and now we’re going through mediation.”</p>
<p>“Mediation? MEDIATION? I’ll mediate my foot right into his groin.”</p>
<p>Take a deep breath 
many colleges use mediation but remember generally both parties have to agree and I highly doubt any colleges use mediation in cases of criminally classified sexual assault. But this is a thread about frats and no I do not differentiate between frat houses and other houses that kids elect to “join” and live in that are single sex. I think it’s a sad day in our country when we start differentiating and treating people different simply because they have different interests as long as those interests are not criminal. i would oppose, say, a group of males that decide to live together for the sole purpose of drug trafficking. But just because Alpha Alpha Alpha in Delaware is a house full of males that drug traffic it might not mean that Alpha Alpha Alpha in Arizona does…Alpha Alpha Alpha in Arizona might be full of choir boys. </p>
<p>^alas, apparently mediation is part of what UVA has in its arsenal of disciplinary actions (as well as some other colleges), “since it was he said/she said”…
(That episode by The Good Wife was apparently really good then. S06E08).</p>
<p>^^ Sure most colleges do use mediation when appropriate and when both parties agree. Sometimes mediation makes sense when there is no governing laws.</p>
<p>Here is a link to some of the actual policies that are already in place at UVa. It will be interesting to see what changes are made. Unfortunately, this is not just a UVa issue. Google the name of many colleges plus rape , including the names of many elite colleges, and you’ll see similar reports of women not feeling their case was appropriately handled, as well as reports of increased activism by women’s groups on many campuses regarding this very issue. <a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/sexualviolence/”>http://www.virginia.edu/sexualviolence/</a> </p>
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<p>Google to the rescue!</p>
<p>At the [University</a> of Chicago:](<a href=“Architect Viñoly’s new GSB designed with eye to detail – Chicago Maroon”>Architect Viñoly’s new GSB designed with eye to detail – Chicago Maroon)</p>
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<p>At [url=<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>Swarthmore College Under Federal Investigation For Handling Of Sexual Assaults | HuffPost College]Swarthmore:</a></p>
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<p>Momofthreeboys: when would mediation be appropriate for a sexual assault case?
I can’t think of any instance when that would be the case.</p>
<p>It’s up to the two parties. But I could suppose in the cases where the woman didn’t want to go through a formal process and simply want distance from the guy mediation might be an excellent course for two people who disagree. I personally would press criminal charges in an assault since you specifically asked about sexual assault. Sexual assault is criminal. Some universities do not allow mediation in assault cases. Many things fall on the spectrum related to the sexes that may not stand the criminal test and mediation might be a reasonable choice if both parties agree. Not all cases are assault. But again this thread is about frats not how colleges and universities adjudicate misconduct between students. Although I could see a frat using mediation to resolve a dispute with a university. </p>
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<p>I am a person who said that they didn’t like what parent #2 did, but you have completely distorted the reason.</p>
<p><em>I</em> said that parent#2 should have immediately discussed the fact that kids were drinking beer and smoking pot at this party with the hostess. Far from saying that she should be afraid to tell the hostess not to buy her kid booze, I advocated that she address it directly. Right then and there. Instead of making any attempt to do so, then or later–and potentially extricating other kids or informing their parents so they could do so–she took her OWN kid home and promptly sent an email to the principal of the school. Yeah, I think that is pretty low.</p>
<p>I wish the State of VA would require colleges to report ALL felonies but this is a start:</p>
<p>“Saslaw Bill Would Make Colleges Report Sexual Assaults To Police”</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/saslaw-bill-would-make-colleges-report-sexual-assaults-to-police/article_cb5f46ae-f0d3-5d0b-9e4c-8098b6283e54.html”>http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/saslaw-bill-would-make-colleges-report-sexual-assaults-to-police/article_cb5f46ae-f0d3-5d0b-9e4c-8098b6283e54.html</a></p>
<p>I have been encouraged multiple times by my kids’ school system to not pursue charges due to bullying. When they admitted bullying had occurred and they said my sons did the right thing to report it. In the first case, my son was choked by another child, in class, with the teachers witnessing. They were both sent to the office, my son was grilled as to what “he did”, which was nothing, and he was told the other student would be suspended. The other student was never suspended.</p>
<p>In the second case, my son conveyed daily bullying including tripping and calling names at him and his friend. Again, they said it was good he reported it. In this case, they did nothing at all to the boy, but kept saying “If you want us to make an official report, we will, but that entails a lot of work and probably taking your son out of classes”.</p>
<p>So why should we be surprised when this is happening at colleges, that even when there are policies and procedures in place that are communicated to students, staff, and administration, usually NOTHING happens?</p>
<p>In the second case I mentioned, my son’s reported being suicidal but still that didn’t reach the level where THEY the administrators had to file an official report.</p>
<p>Between sexual assault, rape and hazing it is going to be impossible for anyone to convince me that the risks caused allowing fraternities outweigh the positives. </p>
<p>^^ That’s fine, your child doesn’t have to join. Many of us experienced the possitives (without sexual assault, rape, or hazing) and I’m happy my children can experience it too.</p>
<p>^^ I think it’s way too simplistic to say, if you don’t like frats, don’t join. Frat culture can permeate a whole school, as it seems to have done at UVA. And yes, I’ve seen the positive side of frats too - indeed, I think the positives probably greatly outnumber the negatives. But the negatives can be of such huge magnitude, like the gang rape at the UVA frat, that they swamp the positives. It would be nice to think that we can eradicate the negative side while keeping the positive side, but it will take concerted effort by the schools and the frats themselves. If frats are going to continue to be the venues for drunken parties every weekend, then it’s hard to see how one transforms them. </p>