<p>You know that there is something REALLY MESSED UP about UVA and greek culture in general when this: <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rape-on-campus-20141119">http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rape-on-campus-20141119</a></p>
<p>is followed by this: <a href="http://vimeo.com/user20932862/review/112529177/b57f3948c3">http://vimeo.com/user20932862/review/112529177/b57f3948c3</a> </p>
<p>I can cross UVA off my list!</p>
<p>Yeah, that interview is really something else. I think we ought to rename this whole situation UVAgate. </p>
<p>I find it interesting that you would come here to “take a whole new look at your college selection” when UVA is not even listed in your Chances posts as a university you were considering in the first place. Your last list, I believe, was:</p>
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<p>Or did you want to come and bash UVA just because it’s fun to kick someone when they’re down?</p>
<p>For the record - let’s take a look at the reported cases of sexual assault at some of your chosen universities and how they compare to UVA’s 14 reported incidents:</p>
<p>12 Yale
22 Columbia
24 Stanford
33 UC Berkeley
11 UChicago
26 Rutgers</p>
<p>In addition, in 2013 Yale was fined for failure to report sexual assault cases, and students filed a federal complaint against Columbia - with allegations including: the University treats survivors and alleged perpetrators unequally, perpetrators are allowed to remain on campus, students are discouraged from reporting sexual assault.</p>
<p>Yes, UVA is today’s poster-child for sexual abuse on college campuses. but don’t be fooled into thinking this is a “UVA issue.” Wherever you go - make sure you don’t take it lightly, and please be safe. </p>
<p>You must have missed the “something wrong with greek life in general” part. </p>
<p>Statistics 101 you can’t compare schools with vastly different sizes (Rutgers has more than twice the amount of students as UVA) as the frequency is not comparable. You’d have to find the relative frequency. </p>
<p>Most cases are not reported. How can you even compare when these schools make every attempt to silence their victims? Reported cases of sexual assault isn’t a good indicator of actual sexual assault occurring. </p>
<p>…Kicking someone while their down? I have no problem ‘kicking’ so to speak a rapist when they are caught. “Kicking them while their down” implies oh rape is just a small thing that really doesn’t matter… which is the exact same mindset at UVA as is obvious by the fact that they suspended fraternities over the holidays for only 6 weeks in response to life destroying rape case, and that the head of UVA’s Sexual Misconduct Board Dean Eramo has been quoted saying , if the alleged admitted to rape that means that they feel bad and have a conscience, so of course we won’t expel them or hold it against them. Sort of explains why they haven’t expelled rapists in over 7 years. Oh wait, NOTHING can explain that. </p>
<p>@grp2013</p>
<p>^^^^^^ You’re not kicking the rapist, you’re kicking the entire school. Make no mistake about it, those cowards WILL be caught and they will get the “kicking” they deserve. You’re right on one point, leadership has failed miserably to protect the women of UVa. They should be “kicked” to the curb.</p>
<p>One thing we don’t need, is a lecture on statistics from a 12th grader. Yes, Rutgers is larger. Stanford and Yale are not. The point is much more complex than what may appear to be black-and-white if all you’ve done is listened to the recent news reports. </p>
<p>Context is also important to understand. “Kicking them when they’re down” was referring to simply jumping in to a Virginia forum to knock the University when you have no ties to it. It was not in reference to the alleged rapists, who if it turns out they are guilty of the crime as alleged should be held responsible to the fullest extent.</p>
<p>I suggest you take the time now to carry on and work on your applications to your selected colleges. Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>You know there’s something off when you are defending your argument by disparaging my age. </p>
<p>If you read my post, you’d notice I pointed out to you that the statistics you brought in were not as clear as they sounded. </p>
<p>Honestly, “Kicking them when they’re down” just really makes no sense in that light. UVA has been harboring these rapists, so it, as an institution, is tacitly saying that rape is okay, which is not a light offense. it’s atrocious what the university has let happen and honestly just as bad as the rapes themselves. </p>
<p>You can take your condescending attitude elsewhere, friend.</p>
<p>*edit: This makes sense. You too are entrenched in the UVA culture.</p>
<p>^^^^^ The institution to which you refer consists of students, professors, leadership, administrators, staff, and alumni. I think the point @grp2013 is trying to make (and with which I wholeheartedly agree) is that not ALL of these people are responsible for the lapses that resulted in what happened to Jackie and others. The institution that is UVa is the sum of all of these parts. The institution didn’t fail Jackie. People failed Jackie. Specifically, 7 cowards, her friends, and UVa leadership.</p>
<p>Err… isn’t one of the main issues here that UVA is not reporting rape cases? So using reported rape cases as an indicator of rape frequency is not the best idea?</p>
<p>@robertr UVA leadership creates the sanctions or the lack thereof that allows rape culture to permeate its campus such as: </p>
<p>Letting rapists off easy with no expulsions, instead allowing them to terrorize their victims on campus. </p>
<p>Trivializing rape, something that can destroy lives, by labeling it simply “sexual misconduct” instead of “rape” or “assault”.</p>
<p>Tacitly implying that cheating is a worse offense by making its sanction more severe than that of rape. </p>
<p>Viewing omission of rape by the alleged as not ‘evidence’ to persecute them, but as’a good sign that they have a moral compass and thus should not be punished’ </p>
<p>This inevitably trickles down into the faculty, staff, alumni, and students.</p>
<p>Reported cases of sexual assault?</p>
<p>Isn’t a big part of UVa’s problem that they aren’t being reported? Makes it hard to compare to other schools. </p>
<p>^^^^@slights32…You aren’t listening…I said leadership needs to be kicked to the curb (see post #4).</p>
<p>You aren’t listening. How can you say it’s just leadership if you also say it’s the fault of 7 cowards and her friends? UVA leadership perpetuates this system, and makes it okay for it’s students, faculty etc to be okay with rape culture. But it is not JUST UVA leadership that needs to be kicked to the curb. It’s the rapists, its the enablers. </p>
<p>^^^^^^You REALLY need to improve your listening skills. Read post #7 this time. Who do I point out as being at fault? Let me help you…LEADERSHIP, THE SEVEN COWARDS, AND HER FRIENDS. Got it?</p>
<p>Let’s turn down the temperature towards each other and focus on the topic of the article/interview. Make your points without resorting to personal aspersions towards the others.</p>
<p>We would all quote the numbers of unreported cases if they weren’t, well, unreported. However, since it is statistically accepted that the ratio of reported to unreported sexual offenses is consistent nationwide, then it is in fact relevant to look at the reported numbers for comparative purposes. </p>
<p>As for being entrenched in UVA culture? Far from it. However, I do have a tie to the University in a child who attends, and therefore have a vested interest in seeing the university take positive steps in correcting its failings. I have not come here simply to jump on a bandwagon of disparaging comments towards the university.</p>
<p>With regard to the original title of this thread, I would bet that due to the microscope it now finds itself under UVA has the potential to become one of the safest schools around in the near future. I certainly hope it rises to this challenge. So from that viewpoint, it may most certainly warrant a whole new outlook. </p>
<p>@grp2013 </p>
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That is a huge assumption for which I suspect there is zero evidentiary basis. Statistically accepted by whom, based on what study? In fact, many schools are much better at adhering to the letter of the Cleary Act than others, as Department of Education and Department of Justice investigations have shown. UVA appears to be particularly poor at even attempting to adhere to the the guidelines. So your premise strikes me as entirely false, unless you can somehow demonstrate that all schools in fact behave that similarly.</p>
<p>UVA may indeed take the opportunity to swing the pendulum in the completely opposite direction. I sure hope so. Because their behavior for the past 30+ years, if this article is even half right, is nothing short of despicable and disgusting. And of course they are certainly not alone.</p>
<p>“Let’s turn down the temperature towards each other and focus on the topic of the article/interview. Make your points without resorting to personal aspersions towards the others.”</p>
<p>“Because their behavior for the past 30+ years, if this article is even half right, is nothing short of despicable and disgusting. And of course they are certainly not alone.”</p>
<p>Gee, you seem to be directing your personal aspersions toward the entire school (“their behavior is nothing short of despicable ad disgusting”). Seems like you may want to follow your own rules and turn down the temperature a bit. </p>
<p>I had a great time at UVA, I stayed away from the fraternities. I went to one engineering frat party as the DD. No problems. UVA is not the school for everyone, but there is a very high retention rate. Only you can decide what school is best for you. I am upset that this occurs at my beloved school and I am upset not everyone had the wonderful UVA experience I had and I think the problems need to be addressed, but I am glad I still had a wonderful time at UVA because I was not involved in that scene.</p>
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<p>And to emphasize, one can be involved in Greek life without being involved in the fraternity party scene. It was not a requirement that D attend fraternity parties on a regular basis - and she didn’t. Yes, Greek life was an important part of D’s UVA experience, but she was involved in many other activities that were equally important to her. </p>