<p>I agree with that which is why I believe something happened to her. My concern is RS took it and ran with it, the watercooler warriors and anti-frat cohort are out in full force and now the story must stand up to scrutiny and Jackie will be forced to it’s voracity or deny she told the reporter all those details. It could take years as the Duke scandal did, but eventually it will all come out because of all the attention. </p>
<p>No, I know. That wasn’t my point at all. My interest in this one is just abut the truth or not of the article. I do think something happened to this girl. I’m just not in the truth is incidental camp that often includes advocacy journalists. </p>
<p>“I support a woman’s right to not do anything, but then there has to be separation between any counseling at a university and the Title IX office.”</p>
<p>This is the obvious reform that has to be made.</p>
<p>Dean Eramo has a completely impossible job to do. No person should ever be expected to do that job: (i) be a counsellor and support system for a victim; (ii) be detective/judge/jury/executioner for adjudicating guilt for an offense that is a high level felony; and (iii) be in charge of legal compliance for and protecting the interests of the university. Talk about a totally stupid way to do something important!!!</p>
<p>The right way to do this is:</p>
<p>The school just counsels the victim and supports her. They tell her very clearly that she needs to go to the hospital and police immediately. They tell her that if she doesn’t go to the hospital/police that her ability to do something (and the school’s ability to help) will be lost. Then the victim makes the call.</p>
<p>The sole arbiter of guilt, innocence and punishment is the real criminal justice system. Just the criminal justice system. Not some Honor Court. Scholastic courts are fine dealing with cheating, drugs, drinking and other minor offenses. Rape, armed robbery and murder need to be left to the real courts. If a kid gets convicted of rape, then he gets expelled. If not, then the school really can’t be in the business of determining guilt and punishment for high level felonies. UVA wasn’t in charge of investigating and prosecuting George Hugueley. Once he got arrested, charged and convicted, UVA expelled him. Rape has to done the same way.</p>
<p>If victims don’t want to go to the real courts, that’s understandable. But that will have consequences. It is nuts to think that an academic kangaroo court is the place where this can get handled well. </p>
<p>In addition to supporting victims, the schools should also focus on awareness and prevention. Not being a fake parallel universe criminal justice system for major crimes. </p>
<p>I think that rapists should be locked up for a long, long time after they’ve had a fair trial in a court of law. I dislike this story because it seems RS and the accuser want to libel the fraternity and the men who live there without having to come forward with evidence that would stand up in a fair trial with forensics, cross-examination and all the rest. </p>
<p>Let’s face it, Rolling Stone wants to sell magazines. Remember this is the rag that put Tsarnaev on the cover looking like some rock star instead of a cold blooded killer. This ‘reporter’ wants to make a name for herself. That’s their agenda. A sensational story sells. Dry statistics don’t. There’s no giant headline coming out of a story about an actual convicted campus rapist. The same points about rape on campus could have been made with such a story but not the smearing sensationalism. </p>
<p>In my real life world, this story was a tipping point for several professor friends to get outraged and seek out involvement at their own campuses in a way that hadn’t occurred to them before. This article is changing perceptions. That is good.</p>
<p>In my virtual world, it looks like it has impacted perceptions as well.</p>
<p>Lest anyone forget that you are damned if you do, and damned if you don’t, here is an article from today’s paper. Swarthmore actually DID expel a kid for sexual assault . . . and then had to unexpel him. But, sure, let’s have the courts involved in EVERY case! That will make everything better!</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20141203_Swarthmore_settles_with_student_expelled_in_sexual_assault_case.html[/url]”>Swarthmore settles with student expelled in sexual assault case;
<p>Marie1234, there is very little journalism in the United States anymore. Most articles are slanted. Many are pr pieces. </p>
<p>Professors are speaking out at UVA. </p>
<p>Truth is important. </p>
<p>“I’m just not in the truth is incidental camp that often includes advocacy journalists.”</p>
<p>Well that is odd to me. If I were an advocacy journalist and my goal was to raise awareness of this type of issue, I would want be quite certain that I used a story where there was a high degree of confidence that the story was true. Especially with rape because there are so many victims that I could choose for the story. </p>
<p>The NY Times ran a story on rape. Didn’t get the play the RS story is getting. Yeah…sensationalism sells. Sometimes sensationalism is necessary.</p>
<p>I agree with alh. This story may have an effect on society,</p>
<p>Here is the NYTimes story that was posted earlier.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/us/how-one-college-handled-a-sexual-assault-complaint.html?_r=0”>http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/us/how-one-college-handled-a-sexual-assault-complaint.html?_r=0</a></p>
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<p>By the way, Jackie is not the only person who was raped who is mentioned in the RS story. </p>
<p>JHS: How would you deal with UVA and the like? I do think the liberal arts colleges like Swarthmore are probably a whole different issue when we get right down to it. How would you have handled that case? </p>
<p>Oh yeah… Here is how that case in the NY Times worked out.</p>
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<p>Maybe Anna lied … Yeah…</p>
<p>We know the accused lied.</p>
<p>^That story just didn’t get the positive attention. I have no idea why. On this board, I recall a discussion as to whether she might have consented. If I remember correctly.</p>
<p>For whatever reason, Jackie is a more sympathetic character. I do not get it, but that’s okay. It may be the writing style, that some are finding so objectionable.</p>
<p>A young woman who texts she’s in trouble seems pretty sympathetic to me.</p>
<p>Anna had a witness. The accused lied. The accused changed their stories. Amazing…or maybe not amazing…</p>
<p>^ the usual response. What is interesting is the response to Jackie has been different. However, there have been quite a few articles the last few months. Maybe it is just finally sinking in?</p>
<p>Hope so!</p>
<p>“Since the lawsuit’s filing, Swarthmore has overhauled several of those policies, most notably its practice of putting cases of alleged sexual misconduct before a board with little background in law or investigative technique.”</p>
<p>Ding ding ding ding!!!</p>
<p>We have real courts for a reason. Faux college courts just shouldn’t be handling alleged rape cases. It is a stupid idea. Not good for the accused, the victim or the school. </p>
<p>Read more at <a href=“Swarthmore settles with student expelled in sexual assault case”>Swarthmore settles with student expelled in sexual assault case;
<p>That is a truly terrible story. All these stories show that rape victims need to call the police immediately. There will be more evidence available in the first hours after the assault and a criminal trial is the best way to get the assailants off campus. </p>
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In the early-morning hours on the campus of Hobart and William Smith Colleges in central New York, the friend said, he found her — bent over a pool table as a football player appeared to be sexually assaulting her from behind in a darkened dance hall with six or seven people watching and laughing. Some had their cellphones out, apparently taking pictures, he said."</p>
<p>Well, thank goodness this young woman had the good fortune to have cellphone pictures taken of her assault, else TatinG and marie1234 would never believe it happened. @@ </p>
<p>PG: If you didn’t read this story and the follow-up, I encourage you to do so. Many denied the rape and many blamed ; her.</p>
<p>I did read the original story when it came out in the NYT. Of course I believe her. I’m being sarcastic to the idea that it’s common for women to pretend they’ve been raped. </p>