<p>It's sad how many people choose to simply ignore the facts. I was very skeptical about globabl warming at first, but it is happening.</p>
<p>And the movie wasn't showing in any theaters anywhere in my area. I really wanted to see it, but driving two hours sort of seems against the point.</p>
<p>No, I'm not dense. If you're name dropping Columbia, you'll probably appreciate this-- I'm going to Harvard next year. I don't see where you said your father thinks global warming is bunk. Why would I discredit someone with credentials like him? And when did I? I wasn't calling you conservative, I was calling goodbrew conservative based on his posts in another thread. And both parties turn policy issues political. Everything is political in Washington, liberal or conservative.<br>
I'm still sort of shocked that you think global warming is "sensationalist garbage" based on, apparently, websites called junkscience.com and put out by industrial companies.</p>
<p>The*Vegan*Actress: A lifetime as a vegan would, by omission, have a bigger impact on carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than taking a two-hour drive to the movie theatre (where the hell do you live that the nearest movie theatre is hours away?)</p>
<p>Shag: Appreciated.</p>
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<p>He was not really name-dropping. You just wanted an excuse to say that. I pretty much participated in entire thread just to see you say that, and, well, I was right.</p>
<p>"I'm still sort of shocked that you think global warming is "sensationalist garbage" based on, apparently, websites called junkscience.com and put out by industrial companies."</p>
<p>Alright. How about these?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.intellicast.com/DrDewpoint/Library/1210/%5B/url%5D">http://www.intellicast.com/DrDewpoint/Library/1210/</a>
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320342/posts%5B/url%5D">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320342/posts</a>
<a href="http://www.reason.com/0202/cr.rb.debunking.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.reason.com/0202/cr.rb.debunking.shtml</a>
<a href="http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/prog1.htm#suspend%5B/url%5D">http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/prog1.htm#suspend</a>
<a href="http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/iceage.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/iceage.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/pointlss.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/pointlss.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/hot.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/hot.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cool.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cool.htm</a></p>
<p>Did you know that the hole in the ozone layer has been repairing itself and will be completely gone by 2050?</p>
<p>Was that in An Inconvenient Truth? Of course not.</p>
<p>nspeds-- he was name dropping columbia to prove his father's credentials as a scientist. in turn, i name dropped harvard to prove how little name dropping proves in an issue like this. you can think what you want though, and i know you will. side note: do you know of robert cole? my grandfather is friends with him (he's a philosopher/theologist in cambridge) and i'm reading one of his books now. if so, wanted to know your thoughts...</p>
<p>and that was in an inconvenient truth, chris</p>
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<p>Nope.</p>
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<p>In his case, I think having a Ph.D from Columbia sure does bolster his position.</p>
<p>"nspeds-- he was name dropping columbia to prove his father's credentials as a scientist. in turn, i name dropped harvard to prove how little name dropping proves in an issue like this."</p>
<p>There's a difference between you smugly proclaiming that you will be attending Harvard in the fall (which has nothing to do with the topic of conversation) and me informing you that, like your mother, my father is a scientist with a doctorate in environmental science.</p>
<p>Global warming falls under the umbrella of environmental science.</p>
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<p>She will be attending in the spring.</p>
<p>Shag's a female?</p>
<p>I take it back. I learned long ago to never argue with a woman. :P</p>
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<p>Ahhhhhhhh... split infinitive! </p>
<p>Just kidding:D</p>
<p>Edit: Ohh the irony...</p>
<p>John: Who the hell are you?
Sarah: I am a female, and I go to Harvard.
John: Whoa, you're a female?!</p>
<p>(made up conversation)</p>
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<p>NEVER TO!!!
NEVER TO!!!!!</p>
<p>I blame four years of Latin.</p>
<p>Just a comment...the "consensus" among scientists that the movie so zealously impresses upon you is that global warming exists. This is true; the Earth has been getting warmer for the past 15 or so years. What there is not a consensus about is the cause of this, whether it be burning fossil fuels, normal climate cycles, a combination of the two, or something else entirely. There is a significant debate about this, and the fact that the movie does not address it at all (according to many, many reviews I've read) makes me view it as biased and possibly dishonest, and I refuse to see such a "documentary".</p>
<p>I wonder if Al Gore received any tips from Michael Moore about how to make a movie.</p>
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Ah yes Vegan; since you are a convert to this cult, it must be true.</p>
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Even if there was a consensus that global warming is real (there is no such consensus), it still would be irrevelant. Science is not fashion or music, where consensus matters. All it takes is one right scientist to demolish the consensus. The consensus was against Pasteur, Galileo, and many other scientists. If you ever hear anyone mentioning consensus regarding any science, its a guarantee he lacks facts and must appeal to join the bandwagon.</p>
<p>the nearest movie theater isn't hours away, but none in the area were showing it. I live in northwest Indiana where half the population hasn't even heard of the concept of global warming.</p>
<p>New York is too cold anyway!</p>
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<p>I've lived in northwest Indiana, too. Half the population hasn't even heard of the concept of <em>gravity</em> . Trust me. :)</p>
<p>I find this one particularly funny:</p>
<p>"...with a doctorate from Columbia University (I'm sure you've heard of Columbia University). He works for the government doing studies similar to the ones presented in An Inconvenient Truth..."</p>
<p>Never cite "works for the government" and expect us to take him seriously as a credible witness. The government, regardless of political affiliation, seems to have a tendencies to withhold reports that they find "inconvenient" to the administration's agenda. </p>
<p>Al Gore, of all people, should know. He, after all, was veep when Bill Clinton had the opportunity to sign the Kyoto Protocol, and didn't, because the economic consequences would far outweigh the "speculation" of a few scientists. </p>
<p>Chris, why are you so aggressively trying to prove people wrong? Who cares if they believe differently than you? The worse that can happen is that they are more aware of what they are wasting, and save some money on energy and water bills. And if the claims made in An Inconvenient Truth are indeed true, then my won't the tables have turned?</p>
<p>Lastly, though I am not an environmental science major, I am fairly certain that the ozone layer was damaged by CFCs and that international protocol has helped scale back the use of CFCs and fortunately it was not too late to reverse the situation. Furthermore, Al Gore HAS cited the repair of the ozone as a positive sign that it is not necessarily too late to reverse any damage that we may have done.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, I am all for some moderation in environmental restrictions. When I flew home from school last month, and descended into LA over the San Bernardino Mountains, I was truly appalled by the sheer density of the smog that had settled in the valleys and around the mountains. If the best we can do is reduce some smog, I am ALL FOR IT.</p>
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<p>He works for the City and State of New York. New York's "agenda" differs GREATLY from that of the President's.</p>