<p>all the disenrollments (and yes there were FAR more of them than setbacks, which is wrong in several areas, but i'll leave that up to you to decide) left today, and they will be missed.
LONG LIVE the SPIN DOCTOR!
those of you who know him know what i mean.</p>
<p>The hardest decision Adm. Stewart has to make is to disenroll a Midshipman. To engage in therapeutic b:tching, especially on a public forum, at best simply demonstrates a lack of maturity, and at worst serious disloyalty to your fellow Midshipman who have worked hard enough to stay.</p>
<p>These decisions are not made lightly. Its OK to be sad that they are leaving, but it is wholly inappropriate for ANY Midshipmen, much less someone who has been there less than a year, to suggest that they know better than the collective wisdom of the Board that recommends these decisions or Adm. Stewart who ultimately has to make them.</p>
<p>my appologies.</p>
<p>I disagree with LFWB here a little bit. I understand the frustration with disenrollments because at times it can seem very arbitrary. There are a multitude of factors that are taken into account and unfortunately only the board members know what they are. The m/n undergoing the board may not even realize all that is being taken into account.</p>
<p>is2day, I don't see anything wrong with what you posted. It was simply a post for venting and should have been left at that. I see no disparaging remarks against anyone in the post.</p>
<p>What are the requirements for disenrollment vs. setback? From your post, kp2001, it sounds like there is a board discussion/decision. Do the folks involved get to present on their own behalf?</p>
<p>I'm guessiong that grades aren't the only thing taken into consideration....</p>
<p>I understand isday4him feelings. Those feelings are totally natural.<br>
I see nothing wrong with comments like those of isday4him on this site. Prospective midshipmen, parents, etc., need to know that KP and all of the academies are really tough. Many don’t make it for one reason or another. Those planning on attending need to realize that getting in is only the beginning. For many it is a four or more year struggle that requires very hard work.</p>
<p>once again, it's tough to see people go. there's no two ways about it. they'll forever be part of the brotherhood though and will not soon be forgotten. i wish my very best to all those leaving us and pray that you find success in whatever ventures you pursue in life.
KPS for life!</p>
<p>Well said everybody,</p>
<p>I know personally what a gut wrenching task it is for Admiral Stewart and how he feels personally he has failed in someway every time a Midshipman is disenrolled. And is2day is right, these are all good people who want to serve. And I found out yesterday, the first stop many of them make is after they get the bad news is to Capt. Buffardi in the Army Team. Which says volumes about their character and commitment to serving our country. Being a KP grad isn't the only way. </p>
<p>It is a frustrating time for everybody, and I just wanted to make sure that it was clear that these steps aren't taken lightly. And, I also apologize for comming off as harsh.</p>
<p>The Academy is out of control with setbacks....if you don't make the cut grade wise then that is your own fault. Anyone can make it here if they really try. No other academy just sets people back....they just kick you out, and I sorry if it sounds harsh but that is how it should be. Admiral Stewart needs to be tougher with these kids, because its not fair to the people who really try, plus setbacks take spots away from kids applying for the incoming class.</p>
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<p>Its not that simple. You are comparing apples and oranges</p>
<p>Every other Academy does four years of Academics in four years and your cruise time and six weeks of summer leave is available for remedial classes to get caught up. That simply doesn't exisits at Kings Point. Also, another dirty little secret is that the other academies give their students until December the year they graduate to get the necessary course work to actually get their diploma.</p>
<p>Mids who get through Kings Point in four years are exceptional in every way, and the vast majority of them are. But unlike having essentially and extra year of margin to get through the other Academies, because of sea year if you fall back at KP ther is no time to catch up like the other academies.</p>
<p>Another way to look at it is that the Mids who get set backs are getting the benefit of the same extra time they would have gotten at the other academies.</p>
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<p>Not necessarily true. I know personally of a person that left USNA for a year and came back to claim a spot in the class behind them. </p>
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<p>The requirements for disenrollment vs setback I don't think are actually written anywhere. I do not know the intimate details, but there is a review board that will take a look at each midshipman's situation and provide a recommendation to Admiral Stewart. Admiral Stewart then has a final decision to make. Just as in the application procedure the entire person is taken into account when making a decision. The person under investigation is allowed to make statements at certain points during the proceedings.</p>
<p>is2day4him: i feel ya buddy. seeing that 2010 shirt with the gold rows of names suddenly strewn with blotches of dark is sad. we will miss our friends. i thank God for the fact that the setbacks get a second chance. especially since they are a part of a brotherhood we will never forget.
your BattBro,
CA88KP10</p>
<p>As far as the differences between a setback decision and a kicked out decision...I don't know the details. But I know it's different for everyone. I've seen kids with outstanding academics (over 3.4 gpa) get kicked out because of sea project failures (probably they just didn't do them) and then I've seen kids get setback with 1.8 gpas. It really is a toss up. I believe how you are in the regiment "locked on" definetly helps and if your a great athlete it may help. Many factors.....point is don't get yourself into that situation. whatever it takes.</p>