Another first-year happy to answer prospie questions (and compsci/geosci questions)

Hello!

Just thought I’d throw in another opportunity to answer questions for students having trouble deciding whether to go to UChicago or even to apply. Although majors aren’t officially declared until 2nd or 3rd year, I’m currently on track for a double major in computer science and geophysical sciences, but at least possess some knowledge of most of the other majors.

I’m also quite happy to answer questions about specific dorms, house culture (go Breckinridge!), student life, RSOs, workload, neighborhood, etc. Or, if you have some question that’s dying to be asked and you’re dying just to ask it too, try me, I’ll do my best.

If you have questions about specific classes, I may have heard some hearsay about particular ones, but you’ll get the best answers if you ask about the following (which I’ve taken or am taking this quarter):
Honors Calculus IBL (MATH 16100-16300)
Reading Cultures (HUMA 14000-14100)
Honors Intro to Computer Science (CMSC 16100-16200)
Intro to Computer Systems (CMSC 15400)
Public and Private Lives of Insects (BIOS something something)
Biological Evolution (BIOS/GEOS something something)
Biodiversity (BIOS something)
Visual Language: On Images (ARTV 10100)

Cheers!

How many hours per week do you typically spend on Honors Calc IBL? Are syllabi for courses available online if you are a UofC student? Of the classes you’ve listed, which have you liked best?

I personally spend about 18 hours a week on IBL outside of class, but that’s probably one of the higher numbers, as I’m not naturally mathematically inclined. Some of my stronger friends generally finish the homework within three hours and type up their work as they go, which shortens the weekly commitment to maybe 10 hours a week, give or take a couple hours depending on if there’s a particularly hard proof. It really depends on the student’s ability (and willingness to get help) as well as whether you decide to do ALL of the homework or just guess which ones you’re going to present and get the rest of the proofs in class or during office hours. Some students do that out of laziness, some out of necessity from time to time. But try not to do it.

If you Google “uchicago boller ibl” you should come up to the original IBL scripts, although the scripts are modified slightly every year. You should be able to get a general idea of what the problems are like, though.

My class website for the quarter is here: http://math.uchicago.edu/~mcreek/spring_2016/math_16300/index.html so you can see the scripts we’ve done over the last two quarters as well as the general pacing of homework. Sometimes the workload gets really bad if we have scripts and problem sets due on consecutive classes, but oh well.

As for which class I’ve liked best so far, it’s a hard call. If I had to pick one, I guess I’d say the second quarter of honors compsci. I’ve both never been pushed to learn so many languages in 10 weeks as well as forced to have (and eventually gained) the confidence to code my own projects; it really taught me how to learn languages and stuff in general on my own and to have the confidence and curiosity to seek out the tools to create (almost) whatever I want, a skill and personal development I am very happy and grateful for. This is from the perspective of someone who hardly coded beyond AP Compsci senior year.

I also have very fond memories of my first-quarter hum class, and I love literally everything about my IBL class, even though it sometimes causes me incredible amounts of anxiety. All my bio/geo courses are all also just super fun. I also really enjoyed the content of my first-quarter compsci class despite not really being able to pick up Haskell at the time. In short, I’ve loved pretty much all my classes, so there you go.

That’s very helpful – thanks! So glad to hear you’re enjoying your courses.

What is your opinion about the culture at Burton-Judson, Snell-Hitchcock, and South? Also, are both Granville-Grossman East and West considered to be part of South (sorry, a little confused about the renamed buildings)? In terms of convenience and location, which halls are best for first-year students? Thanks so much for offering to answer questions!

Those three are all large residence halls and the houses within them will differ somewhat, but if one were to make broad generalizations, BJ and Snitchcock (short for the two halls) generally have pretty good house culture from what I’ve heard. South, on the other hand, has had difficulties developing strong house culture and is a party dorm relative to the others (not that the two are exactly mutually exclusive, but the correlation certainly exists.) Halperin house in South is the exception to the culture thing, though. However, you can only select residence halls, not houses.

Both East and West are referred to collectively as South, at least among those of us not living there. People tend to just ask what dorm and what house they’re in, and I could only imagine the words “east” and “west” being used to describe physical buildings in this context rather than “where I live.” Note that no one actually calls anything Granville-Grossman; it’s all South, including the dining hall (which is Arley D. Cathey, who has a million things named after him anyway).

As a disclaimer, I’m someone who thinks a 15-minute power walk is a “pretty reasonable” distance since I live on the far east edge of campus, but learning to walk quickly is a useful skill when you want to sleep in 10 extra minutes and also helps you enjoy Hyde Park to the max. There are tons of good eats around the area, and I encourage you to walk (safely) and enjoy the neighborhood on the way to dinner rather than taking shuttles all the time. You can also save some money from delivery if you walk yourself :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, strictly in terms of location, you’re going to want to pick either Snell-Hitchcock, Max Palevsky (referred to as Max or MaxP) or possibly North (which will be opening next year). Snitchcock is literally right on the quad and they get their own cute little quad too; MaxP is right next to the Regenstein library/“Reg” and the Bartlett dining commons (although Bartlett food legitimately is worse than South food) and is hardly a block away from the quad. North will be a couple blocks north of the quad and further than the other two, but is, well, farthest north and will at least get you closer access to neighborhood restaurants and the like.

If you also want to be closer to the grocery store and local restaurants (there are some good ones), North and I-House are probably the closest to the good stuff up on 57th, 55th and 53rd, as well as the Treasure Island and Harper grocery stores. Stony Island is also up in the middle of the neighborhood and is apartment-style living. Snitchcock and MaxP aren’t horribly far off, though, if you don’t mind the aforementioned walk.

Now, in terms of convenience, which I’m going to say includes proximity to good study spaces and dining halls and the like, almost everything is honestly pretty great, in my opinion. Max is right next to the Reg and Bartlett; Snitchcock is on the quad anyway and is also fairly close to Bartlett; North is going to have its own dining hall; BJ and South have, well, South for food, the law library and arts center isn’t far and offer good study spaces and events; I-House is going to have some weird new meal plan, but it’s a big pretty building with lots of study space and lots of speakers and events happening weekly. There’s a convenience store in Bartlett, South, and I-House, and I believe there are going to be stores in North as well. Stony Island is the only remaining dorm that is fairly far, but there have been further (cough cough don’t get me started on the satellites cough cough) and they have balconies and apartment spaces, anyway.

There are good study spaces everywhere, really. Also check out the food trucks on campus that show up every weekday for lunch, I’d love to give pointers on those :stuck_out_tongue:

And no problem! Happy to help :slight_smile: Hope this wasn’t too long-winded lol.

I also want to clarify that the dorms “without much house culture” aren’t bad, per se; I’m definitely of the bent that house culture is fantastic and wonderful and everyone should have it, but I’ve still met people from South who party way more than I do and are still great people. It’s just up to you and your preference.

Thank you so much, this is wonderful! On a more academic note, I was a little confused about the math sequence. I scored a 5 on the AP Calc BC exam last year. Does that I mean I will at least take the 15300 course unless I place higher on the placement exam? Also, if I place into the 160s math sequence, will I have the option of taking the 15300 course? I am currently enrolled in Calculus III (MV Calc) but I am concerned that I will not be ready for the honors calculus classes, because my previous classes have not focused on proof-based learning at all.

@likefireworks yes to every one of your questions. honors calc assumes no proof based background

@likefireworks The shorter answer is that a 5 on BC should clear your mathematical sciences core requirement (for majors that don’t require a third quarter) and that you will have the option/be encouraged to try the 160s. I also took multi my senior year without a proof-based background, but am doing alright in 160s. In fact, few incoming first-years have ever taken multivariable calculus, and even fewer have been truly exposed to proofs (geometry stuff doesn’t count). With that, I would encourage you to at least give proof-based mathematics, which all the math majors and myself argue is “real” math, a chance. You’ll have to do some proofs in 150s anyway, but they will be far fewer in number. You can also drop from the 160s to the 150s, and there is a 2-week add/drop period where you could try out 160s and switch to the 150s if you decide that proofs aren’t your cup of tea.

The longer answer includes an explanation of the testing and placement process. There are two math placement exams; the first is over the summer, and maybe all you should review is some formulas if you’re like me and tend to forget them. The summer exam can place students into 153 at the highest, and placement is determined via a combination of your test score, your SAT scores, high school courses, and AP credits, so even if you screwed up some formula-related stuff on the placement test but have good calculus grades and scores, you’ll still get 153 (I know this from experience lol). It is a fairly final placement unless you intend to take the second, much more difficult placement exam during the beginning of O-Week (orientation), which is pretty much entirely calculus (including some basic multivariable) as well as some proofs. Students are strongly encouraged to take this exam if they have taken calculus before.

The second exam is an opportunity to say “I know more math than I remembered over the summer” in case you didn’t get the placement you wanted at first. This is the exam that determines whether you are “encouraged” to take 160s, to take 199 (which you’ll get if you know/remember ALL of your calculus but don’t know how to write proofs yet), or Honors Analysis (only the strongest first-years who already know how to write proofs are placed there). The results are based pretty much entirely on your test score alone. With this, if you still don’t get the placement you want, you can talk to John Boller, who’s a big and awesome guy in the math department, or whoever’s designated that year, really, and the person will sort of test you on the spot and decide if you indeed should be at a higher placement or should stay where you are. I don’t believe it is possible, or at least is extremely rare, for any exam to make your placement any lower.

The only difficulty, really, is placing higher. Taking 150s is no problem if you don’t want to take the 160s. And yes, you can jump straight to 153 if you have the required AP credit. You’ll see all the above information over the summer and again during orientation week.

My suggestion to you specifically, but again, only a suggestion, is to not let your lack of background in proofs deter you from taking the 160s. If you’re not going to take the 160s, do it either because 1) you’ve tried a bit and are genuinely not interested in it, 2) are certain you are not going to need it for your major or 3) don’t think you’ll have the time. As I mentioned before, nearly everyone who does the 160s has no proofs background since it’s rarely taught in American schools, so if you have the time to put into the course (the math department claims the average is about 10 hours a week for the normal Honors Calculus sequence), it’s worth a try. Even if you’re not a stem major, it could be fun/worth it: one of my friends who will definitely be majoring in some sort of humanities is taking it and doing well. It’s just like learning a new way of thinking, which is what learning any field outside your comfort zone is about, really, and I encourage you to try it. As someone who used to be terrified of and very unconfident about math, I think I have at least some authority to say this to you lol.

This is such a clear explanation of the process, thanks so much for taking the time to write this! As a potential STEM major, I am definitely leaning towards the 160s sequence now :slight_smile: