<p>
</p>
<p>Except that they are. In the case in the OP, four fraternity members were arrested and charged, and the fraternity has been suspended. And this event didn’t even take place at the fraternity house or on campus. What more would you have happen?</p>
<p>^^</p>
<p>Charged? Perhaps, but what were the final sentences? The suspension of the fraternities are nothing but a slap on the wrist and an invitation to repeat the same offenses after a period of purgatory. The same fraternities have had local incidents but nothing that attacks their national organization. Suspensions of fraternities are just a joke. A cruel joke to boot!</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Please let me know how many days of prison students who have caused the deaths of others through hazing have SERVED in the past decade? How many were NOT allowed to earn a degree at the school where they committed their crime? And perhaps compare the punishment of such action to “others” such as cheating on a test, videotaping your roommate, or being caught by turnitin! </p>
<p>How about full criminal prosecution of the members involved AND their leaders. Any incident that resulted in a death should trigger a direct and PERMANENT closure of that fraternity and a prohibition for all members to join another fraternity. A second incident should trigger the complete abolition of that fraternity on ALL campus in the nation. Permanently and without appeal. </p>
<p>Like it or not, there is no abatement in the incident because the punishment are always temporary. And that is why nothing is changing. It will be the same in 10 years. </p>
<p>I think there need to be much more serious consequences for infractions that don’t result in a death. Nobody thinks that a death is going to occur as a result of harmless hazing and “normal” binge drinking, so the dire consequences xiggi suggests may not be a sufficient deterrent–just as people keep on driving drunk because they don’t think they are going to be the one to kill somebody. If you want to deter people from drunk driving, lock them up and confiscate the car after a first offense. Same thing for fraternities and hazing/binge drinking.</p>
<p>Hunt, I agree with you. I was using the death example as a comparison to the FAMU sentencing. Both cases are extreme, but alas not as rare as one might imagine. My point is if we all but shove deaths under the proverbial rug, what can be expected to deter the most “pedestrian” abuses? </p>
<p>Fwiw, I am not naive enough to think that we will ever see a national chapter forced to stop its activities. At best, I think that suspensions of certain chapters might become permanent as opposed to temporary. I also do not think that lengthy sentences will bring about deep changes. </p>
<p>Part of my frustration is that I do not see any improvement. </p>
<p>unfortunately, xiggi is correct. Even when a chapter is given the so-called death penalty, a college may allow them back on after some length of time. For example, after a “permanent” ban, the Betas were allow to return to Dartmouth ~10 years later.</p>
<p>I imagine that the returning Betas are likely to be more careful than a new fraternity with no similar history at the college that might have taken its place. Of course I realize that you all would prefer to see NO fraternity take its place.</p>
<p>actually, Bay, in this case, a sorority had taken its place… </p>
<p>I don’t see how that is possible, but I assume you mean that a sorority moved into Beta’s old house?</p>
<p>correct; the sorority rented the Beta house, and then the girls were kicked out when the Betas were invited/allowed to return to Hanover. Of course, this is just a digression of the larger point: even a permanent ban is not permanent.</p>
<p>Well, Im aware that stories can be made up–or more likely distorted and slanted. To me, rather than being crazy, those have the ring of truth to them. Sorry, but I define crazy differently than most people on these boards. It does appear that the source was a Geithner family member. Its moot anyway, but a good example of what you won’t get from the network shills reporters. </p>
<p>Thanks to others for providing the sources, although it appears that it was only one, but re-reported several times. </p>
<p>For those who think the nomination was the result of the historical close relationship between the President and Kim, here’s a Washington Post article that hints that it was a surprise to many. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/official-obama-to-nominate-dartmouth-college-president-to-head-world-bank/2012/03/23/gIQAAPLiVS_story.html”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/official-obama-to-nominate-dartmouth-college-president-to-head-world-bank/2012/03/23/gIQAAPLiVS_story.html</a></p>
<p>You can be the judge. I’ll go with the Daily Mail scoop on this. 
</p>
<p>Not a death, but another rape incident, this time at a fraternity at Emory, in the news.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wistv.com/story/27267229/halloween-rape-report-leads-to-suspension-of-fraternity-activities-at-emory-university”>http://www.wistv.com/story/27267229/halloween-rape-report-leads-to-suspension-of-fraternity-activities-at-emory-university</a></p>
<p>^^
What a coincidence, Much2learn. This <a href=“Cal Poly begins investigation, suspends PIKE - Mustang News”>http://mustangnews.net/cal-poly-begins-investigation-suspends-pike/</a> happened at my daughter’s school over the weekend. </p>
<p>Here is today’s fraternity rape allegation news from Johns Hopkins. This time the girl is 16. Ugh.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/blog/bs-md-ci-johns-hopkins-fraternity-sex-assault-20141104-story.html”>Maryland News - Baltimore Sun;
<p>Investigating the rape, but no mention of investigating who served alcohol to a 16 year old. Oh, but I’m sure they raise money for good causes and get good grades.</p>
<p>Another article this week about Georgia Tech. Graphic and disturbing.</p>
<p><a href=“Here Are Disturbing Examples Of A 'Pro-Rape' Attitude At A Georgia Tech Frat | HuffPost College”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost;
<p>According to the article you would think these guys grew up hating women. I don’t think frats are always bad but this is definitely not right.</p>
<p><a href=“Man found dead at U.C. Berkeley frat house after party”>Man found dead at U.C. Berkeley frat house after party;
<p>Another death at a fraternity reported today. The cause of death has not yet been determined but the body was found after a party. </p>
<p>Check the last sentence of the article about the suspicious death at the Berkeley frat house:</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>There is another alleged date rape drug and sexual assault incident at a fraternity party reported today at Brown. Very sad and frustrating to see the damage this does to so many students.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/11/10/brown-student-tests-positive-for-date-rape-drug-after-fraternity-party/”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/11/10/brown-student-tests-positive-for-date-rape-drug-after-fraternity-party/</a></p>
<p>The date rape drug incident at Brown is more than an allegation. Two women came forward saying they thought they had been drugged at a frat party, and one also said she was raped. The fraternity put out a statement denying that any fraternity member had perpetrated such a crime, but the two women had been tested for the date rape drug. The first woman’s test came back positive, and the second one’s test is pending. </p>