<p>Duke’s yield is under 50%? If true, that speaks volumes</p>
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<p>Try to beat out Chicago first, before you worry about HYP:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/849076-university-chicago-sees-42-increase-applications.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/849076-university-chicago-sees-42-increase-applications.html</a></p>
<p>HYPSM + Caltech > non-HYP ivies + Chicago > Duke</p>
<p>^I’m fairly sure that 27000 is a larger number than 19000. Don’t quote me on that though…</p>
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<p>Actually, it’s 26,694 vs. 19,306, but who’s counting? Tell me, which of the following is the bigger “substantial rise” in applications: 42% or 11%?</p>
<p>Here’s the amazing thing though: despite 7,000+ more applicants, Duke’s RD #'s (acceptance and yield rates) will be virtually the same as Chicago’s.</p>
<p>While Duke’s and Chicago’s selectivity indices are comparable, the former lags far behind the latter in academics and societal impact. Chicago is a global leader in economics, mathematics, physics, etc. (with top 5 departments in each of these fields). Some of Chicago’s social sciences (anthropology, sociology) are second-to-none. </p>
<p>Now what earth-shattering research and scholarship has Duke contributed to the world??</p>
<p>prodigalson,</p>
<p>Any particular reason you have such a vendetta against Duke? </p>
<p>It’s not as if the job market looks down upon a Duke degree. </p>
<p>Not all schools can be tier one – there would be no reason for competition if every school was like HYPSM. There’s nothing wrong with UChicago and there’s certainly nothing wrong with Duke. Duke graduates certainly have as much potential to succeed as graduates from any other school.</p>
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<p>I have no vendetta against Duke or any other school. In fact, I had no intention of visiting (let alone posting in) the Duke forum until about a week ago when I read some false and misleading claims made by Duke students and alums in the open forums, not much unlike some of the posts in this thread, including its title.</p>
<p>I have also made fair and legitimate claims about other schools (including Penn and Chicago) in their forums. Their students and alums addressed my arguments in a civil and mature manner. Here I was called names, which only encouraged me to post additional criticisms re: Duke.</p>
<p>Fair enough.</p>
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<p>fair and legitimate? That’s BS. How is something such as “Duke < seppuku” a legitimate claim? Stop lying about your motives and your “wisdom.”. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/95198-top-15-most-prestigious-universities-123.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/95198-top-15-most-prestigious-universities-123.html</a></p>
<p>Nluu0929, please look at post 1832 and beyond. That’s not just “fair commentary.”. That’s called an attack on a poster and a school.</p>
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<p>To be fair, I said this in jest as a reply to a sarcastic post (which has since been deleted). Why else would I say something like this completely out of the blue? You obviously don’t appreciate my morbid sense of humor. Fine, not everyone does…</p>
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<p>I have never made any claims about either my motives or my “wisdom.” If you really want to know, my motives don’t go far beyond expressing my opinions on an internet forum. I do enjoy occasionally pointing out the absurdities and hypocrisies in claims, especially those made by school supporters with a (usually hidden) agenda. If you read my post history, you’d see that I do this with supporters of a ton of different schools, not just Duke. It’s quite possible that you think I have an anti-Duke bias based on the link you provided. But a more likely explanation is that Duke posters did more than their fair share of ■■■■■■■■ in that thread. Read the pages preceding your link and you’ll see what I mean.</p>
<p>As to why I chose to engage you in a verbal war, keep in mind that just a day earlier you called me among other things “elitist” (guilty as charged) and accused me of being a ■■■■■ (whom you threatened or promised to ignore but didn’t) under a different name.</p>
<p>And my reponse to you is relatively mild compared to the earlier reception I received in this thread (post #26):</p>
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<p>So if Duke’s yield is relatively low, how often do they go to their waitlist?</p>
<p>It’s not a very large number compared to how many people they accept. I believe in years past it’s maybe 1-200? Compared to the around 4000 they accept it’s not much.</p>
<p>prodigalson,</p>
<p>It seems to me that your comments are sorely misdirected. Why direct disparaging comments towards Duke when only individuals have remarked about your personality? There are always pros and cons for each and every school. Every “elite” school has arrogant individuals, but that doesn’t necessarily make the school “lower” than say, seppuku. Duke is a good school even if certain people who attend Duke make overreaching comments about its greatness.</p>
<p>And when people make decisions about college, they don’t automatically choose based off of prestige. If the environment at Duke was better than say, the environment at Yale for a certain student…then the choice is clear. But never mind that.</p>
<p>All in all, Duke is a great school and I would enjoy being a Duke student. You can’t judge Duke based off of a small sample size. It’s certainly not an accurate representation of Duke.</p>
<p>nluu0929,</p>
<p>If Duke doesn’t accept you, it’s Duke’s loss…</p>
<p>Good luck to you!</p>
<p>This thread was about the uptick in admissions applications for Duke. Why does someone - either “not-interesting guy” or “prodigalson” join conversations on colleges they say they don’t go to and don’t like, and turn the thread topic to the same subject repeatedly (why people at Duke are so inferior to those at HYP)? </p>
<p>Maybe as a Duke student I should spend all my time telling people at Northwestern or Amherst how stupid they are. Except, why would anyone who has any friends want to spend their time putting people down? Go help with Haiti relief or something useful.</p>
<p>And why is it that those who ciritcize Duke never say where they are in school?</p>
<p>This board really needs a more active moderator…this thread should have been locked a long time ago given how off-topic and obnoxious it’s gotten.</p>
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<p>One of your Duke classmates has already been doing this for you:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/northwestern-university/812794-top-5-things-i-need-know-about-northwestern.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/northwestern-university/812794-top-5-things-i-need-know-about-northwestern.html</a></p>
<p>And you’re kidding yourself if you think that Duke is more selective than Amherst. Despite the fact that it is a tiny LAC with little name recognition, its yield has historically been similar to that of Duke (approx. 40%). I don’t have Amherst’s admissions stats for this year, but I know that until as recently as last year Amherst has had a lower acceptance rate than Duke.</p>
<p>It’s really hard to tell because Duke plays fast and loose with its admissions stats. Is this where Duke students take their cue (27,000 Apply!)?</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/677825-regular-decision-class-2013-statistics.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/677825-regular-decision-class-2013-statistics.html</a></p>
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<p>catherine, SBR, and others–</p>
<p>Prodigalson needs to be ignored. He seems to thrive off attention. Members should read Duke threads and simply skip over his posts and continue their conversations seeing as how he usually does not have anything of any value to contribute to the topic. The cheesy statement about ignoring bullies so they’ll leave you alone is probably true in this case. Stomp out cyber bullying! lol. And I feel calling prod a cyber bully is hilariously accurate. In any case… perhaps this approach will get prodigalson to quite invading the Duke forum. Anyway… I’m gonna stop talking before prod attacks me. And prodigalson-- I have nothing against you, so please don’t feel the need to offer a rebuttal. I simply wish you’d stop putting down my dream school-- the school I will be attending this fall. It is obviously not your dream school and you obviously don’t care for it so why not move on…</p>
<p>Furthermore-- I do recognize that you don’t single out Duke and you’ve made comments about other schools. The truth is, I probably will still keep reading ur posts simply b/c they actually are amusing to me & u aren’t likely to stop posting. But I won’t reply =]</p>
<p>Free country…</p>
<p>Actually as much as I think I should avoid this fray, I would like to address a few points that’s been raised:</p>
<p>1) the much ballyhooed 27000 vs. 26400 that is usually thrown around. Given that Duke deferred 713 applicants from early decision, each of the 26400 that applied for RD is in reality competing in a pool of around 27000. While it is true that double counting applicants for admissions statistics is dishonest, in the context of gauging how much competition one faces, the 27000 number is perfectly valid. </p>
<p>Of course, if we had more data, then we can also account for the fact that deferred students might not be admitted at the same rate as RD applicants and possibly quantify the inherent bias they might face from those that evaluated them before. but absent that, we can only assume that they undergo the same evaluation process as all RD applicants. </p>
<p>2) The drop in admissions rate from 20% or so to 18% or so is actually valid. If you looked at the profiles posted for Classes of 2012 and 2013 by the admissions office and did some calculations, you could see that. I believe that these number do reflect waitlist impact judging from the discrepancy in RD acceptance numbers from this article ([Duke</a> University Offers Admission to 3,517 for Class of 2013](<a href=“http://news.duke.edu/2009/03/admissions.html]Duke”>http://news.duke.edu/2009/03/admissions.html)) written March 2009 and the numbers from that page. 155 is a pretty good estimate of the numbers let in off the waitlist I believe if not the exact figure from last year. </p>
<p>Sources:
[Duke</a> University Admissions: Class of 2012 Profile](<a href=“http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2012profile.html]Duke”>http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2012profile.html)</p>
<p>[Duke</a> University Admissions: Class of 2013 Profile](<a href=“http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2013profile.html]Duke”>http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2013profile.html)</p>
<p>3) I also want to point out that the difference between 3800 and 4200 of 400 cannot have come from waitlist. IIRC, Duke has never accepted more than about 200 people from the waitlist. For the class of 2012, the number is around 200 (<a href=“http://dukechronicle.com/node/146276[/url]”>http://dukechronicle.com/node/146276</a>) In fact, from the sources above, I can’t even figure out where that 3800 number came from.</p>
<p>In this case, the claim that “Duke plays fast and loose with its admissions stats” is a little misleading. Duke is actually pretty open about their numbers, as you can see.</p>
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<p>…which is why Duke counts incomplete and withdrawn applications in their press releases re: admissions information.</p>