Anti-Barack, Pro-Hillary RANT

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haven't you heard? for the the last thousand years many arab people, most especially women, have been severely oppressed by the male-dominated islamic extremist government. many are horribly punished for leaving their homes, disobeying islamic tradition, showing their skin, hair, or eyes. sometimes in more severe cases, their genitalia are mutilated, limbs are cut off, or they are shot.</p>

<p>read a book.... i recommend 'a thousand splendid suns' by khaled hosseini.</p>

<p>or look at this, it's awful.
Female genital cutting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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You are blending a lot of different human rights issues from around the world into one issue. The FGC is mainly an African human and gender rights issue.</p>

<p>Also, I also hope you know that not all countries in the Middle East/predominantly Muslic countries practice shariah law.</p>

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oh you took a geography class? THAT's cool! Just because you know where Iraq is doesn't mean you are more informed than most American voters.

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Nope. I'm pretty sure that me being able to find Iraq on a map indicates I'm, at least, a little bit more informed than Americans who can't.</p>

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and fyi, this is just what is happening over in the middle east. we are fighting a war to dispose of weapons that never existed, and to bring peace and democracy to a world where that is not accepted or encouraged.

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Ok, some people in the Middle East don't accept and actively discourage democracy? Nope. The reason why democracy doesn't work in most Middle East countries is because they lack a significant middle class.</p>

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do YOUR research.

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Huh?</p>

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<p>Well, now you are just being contrary.</p>

<p>You're right. The lack of a significant middle class is the reason why democracy is unable to work. I never denied that. The aristocracy of many Middle Eastern countries, if you will, like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Pakistan has a strong religious influence that places religious ideology into law. That is one reason why women are treated so horribly. And I know shariah law isn't practiced in all Islamic countries but doesn't it have an influence on many governments across the Middle East, East Asia and Islamic Africa? After it is Islamic religious law. The main thing I am trying to say here is that Islamic countries are much much different than the West. And it is nearly impossible to spread democracy and the idea of government by the people, when the country we are fighting with believes in government ruled by religion.</p>

<p>You keep mentioning this Iraq on a map thing. I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. So, you are informed. But that doesn't mean that you have the background and life skills that provide you extra logical insight into picking the most qualified candidate. </p>

<p>I am not saying that young people don't have the right to vote or that they aren't informed. I am just saying that it definitely throws the vote off when hordes of young people flock to the precincts hoping to elect a leader who really isn't in the country's best interests, and also that young people lack the life experience that gives them insight into who is really best for the country.</p>

<p>That's all.</p>

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<p>Obama :(. Hillary :(:(. McCain :/ he's the least of three evils, IMO.</p>

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when you, caressemh, start paying taxes and caring for a family, then you can say that you deserve an influence in american politics. young people's decisions are purely emotion driven. we are idealists, and there is nothing wrong with that! but compared to your parents, YOU KNOW NOTHING.

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LOL</p>

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they never talk about it.

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At least ATTEMPT to educate yourself. All you need to have watched is ONE debate to get their stances on at least some subjects.</p>

<p>Look, I don't care if people have opinions different than my own. As long as their based on research. People like you, though, should not be allowed to vote. It's that simple.</p>

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<p>You're on the internet now. How about logging onto Obama's site and reading some of his stances before you jump on the "he doesn't say what he's going to dooo!" bandwagon.</p>

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<p>yeah actually i have watched the debates.
and i have looked at his website.
oh my god people, of course they talk about their stances!!! they don't sit there staring at each other!</p>

<p>what i mean is that they spend way too much time talking about each other's faults and not enough on the nitty gritty. </p>

<p>i am thoroughly convinced that most of you are ill-informed. you watch the debates and base your opinions on the way they speak. no one has yet to mention any of the candidate's stances...
clinton's universal healthcare plan would cause taxes to skyrocket, and leaving people like me unable to choose to have a decent healthcare plan. she is in support of raised taxes for the 'wealthiest americans', i.e. the middle class. she stongly supports a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
obama isn't much better, at least he wants to give citizens options regarding their healthcare.</p>

<p>see. i know a little bit what i am talking about. much to your surprise. i am not a fanatic anti-american. i am just numb to the premeditated hyped up jibber jabber of our candidates.</p>

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The main thing I am trying to say here is that Islamic countries are much much different than the West. And it is nearly impossible to spread democracy and the idea of government by the people, when the country we are fighting with believes in government ruled by religion.

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That's not true at all. Christianity is not necessarily compatitable with capitalism, yet, guess what the United States is a predominantly Christian country with an economy based on capitalism. Bottom line, the real issue is whether or not the country has a significant middle class. With wealth comes a higher standard of living and education; it's highly unlikely that any Muslims would remain receptive to the extremist form of Islam that you are talking about once they are educated and experience "Western culture," or materialism :P.</p>

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You keep mentioning this Iraq on a map thing. I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

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I am making the point that I am more informed than most adult American voters.</p>

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So, you are informed. But that doesn't mean that you have the background and life skills that provide you extra logical insight into picking the most qualified candidate.

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Clearly, being more informed is more important than having "life skills" when it comes to voting. In both the 2000 and 2004 elections, young voter turn out has been pitiful. According you your logic, since it was primarily adults making the decision as to who to elect president, they should have been able to choose a good president. However, the adults in this country elected a president who is likely going to be considered to be one of the worst of all time. I simply disagree that an older person will be able to make a more informed than I can simply because they are older.</p>

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I am not saying that young people don't have the right to vote or that they aren't informed. I am just saying that it definitely throws the vote off when hordes of young people flock to the precincts hoping to elect a leader who really isn't in the country's best interests, and also that young people lack the life experience that gives them insight into who is really best for the country.

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Most American adults are just as bad. Look at all of the people who form their voting decisions around which candidate is anti-Abortion, anti-Gay marriage, etc.</p>

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i am thoroughly convinced that most of you are ill-informed. you watch the debates and base your opinions on the way they speak. no one has yet to mention any of the candidate's stances...

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As the last president as shown us, it is more important to consider what principles guide a candidate's decision making process.</p>

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clinton's universal healthcare plan would cause taxes to skyrocket, and leaving people like me unable to choose to have a decent healthcare plan. she is in support of raised taxes for the 'wealthiest americans', i.e. the middle class. she stongly supports a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

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Actually, it sounds to me as if people like you would benefit from Clinton's healthcare plan. Also, I hate how people fail to realize that paying more taxes is not inherently a bad thing. If you receive as much as you pay then it's perfectly fine. Look at France, some citizens pay as much as 50%. At the same time though, they have better public transportation, free education through college, free daycare, free healthcare, etc. I don't know about you but that seems worth it.</p>

<p>Lastly, I would suggest that in addition to doing more research about the candidates and the issues that you do better research.</p>

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<p>How about saying that the first time, then? Instead of making the claim that "they never talk about it." and then trying to defend it by pretending that you actually meant something else.</p>

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Huh? At least do a bit of rudimentary research before posting something idiotic.

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<p>I know US law says otherwise. I was posting from a philosophical standpoint.</p>

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<p>Woohoo!! we have a debate or two goin' on.</p>

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of course they talk about their stances!!! they don't sit there staring at each other!

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That's not what you said last time. Only when people called you on the fact that it's a blatant lie...</p>

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no one has yet to mention any of the candidate's stances...

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There hasn't yet been a debate over the candidates opinions - thus, no reason to mention the stances.</p>

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clinton's universal healthcare plan would cause taxes to skyrocket

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Not necessarily true. If done well, it would not. We currently spend WAY more than we need to on health care. For example, if we were to switch to a single-payer universal health care system, we could actually save money while covering more people with better coverage because it's more efficient.</p>

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she is in support of raised taxes for the 'wealthiest americans', i.e. the middle class

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Uh, you must have a very skewed view of the middle class. She's said that she wants to raise the taxes on people making over $200,000/year. Do you consider that the middle class?</p>

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she stongly supports a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

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You say that as if it's a bad thing.</p>

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i know a little bit what i am talking about.

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Not really. I believe I have just adequately shown that you don't. It's wrong that Clinton's plan would case taxes to skyrocket and it's wrong that she wants to raise taxes on the middle class. The only thing you were right about was that she supports a path to to citizenship for illegal immigrants.</p>

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<p>My arguments were definitely the most legit.</p>

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<p>wow. whatever.</p>

<p>this isn't a debate really. more of an attack on my personal opinion.</p>

<p>obviously i can't say a thing, without being ridiculed. i say things in a certain order and that automatically makes me a hypocrite. so i am politically inept, and don't deserve to vote. no one can know the full expanse of my views, and if you did, then those would be picked apart as well.</p>

<p>i hope that you voters make a good choice!</p>

<p>i will just leave it at that.</p>

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<p>wait....was your opinion..like the main point....</p>

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<p>wait, what are you saying?</p>

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<p>I meant what was your point....why were you ridiculed? What did you say to bring down the reign...?</p>

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<p>The OP is either a troll or really deficient, and I'm not saying that because I am pro-Obama. I am saying it because the rant is idiotic. I can't believe this thread has gone to 4 pages...</p>

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<p>Oh, everyone disagrees with me when i say that young people don't have enough life experience to make a decision in the country's best interests.</p>

<p>but apparently i am wrong! haha</p>

<p>that was my original opinion, then it spiraled on from there.<br>
apparently i have been living under a rock and everything i know about the world is not true, and i am just REALLY confused.</p>

<p>also, i am not the OP, just so everyone knows. i don't like any of the candidates, let alone she devil, hilary clinton. and by the wayy, not to fuel the fire or anything, all feminists that are in support of her should be ashamed. she let bill run all over her and i would have had way more respect for her had she ditch him and set off on her own political agenda...just saying.</p>

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<p>hahaaa..young people don't have enough life experience to make a decision in the country's best interests? Okay, that's a bit over the top. </p>

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<li><p>This election effects us probably more than any generation.</p></li>
<li><p>Well, apparently NO-ONE has enough life-experience to make a decision in the country's best interest. After all, those "informed" people voted for Bush again and completly ***ed up our economy, and foreign policies.</p></li>
<li><p>If 18 is too young....when should people have a say in who runs their country?</p></li>
<li><p>All the candidates suck so i agree with you there.</p></li>
<li><p>Don't listen to the random people that show up to the cafe and post random BS. The majority of them are stuck under a bigger rock than you are (if you are stuck under a rock). </p></li>
<li><p>None of you know anything about the middle east and their policies so shut up. None of you have lived there and have only seen what the media has hand fed to you. You read books like a thousand splendid suns by khaled hosseini and act as if you know how he feels and have experienced the Islamic world in it's entirely. You talk about Shariah when everything you say is BS. You talk about how the middle east rules their country and you just eat up the is media BS. Get a life. Everything in this world is NOT black and white, and if you don't know ALL the facts, then don't say anything.</p></li>
<li><p>Peace up P-Town</p></li>
<li><p>Life is a dance floor</p></li>
<li><p>You are the music</p></li>
<li><p>I am awesome</p></li>
<li><p>I can't wait to be ridiculed</p></li>
<li><p>I can be a high school libertarian if I want.</p></li>
<li><p>Clinton is fat and ugly, and I can say that because of the first amendment.</p></li>
<li><p>Freedom for life</p></li>
<li><p>Libya is awesome</p></li>
<li><p>Tell me when to stop</p></li>
<li><p>Wait you *can't** FREEDOM OF THOUGHT AND SPEECH BEOTCHES!</p></li>
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