Any chance of admission to an ivy league college with these stats?

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>Hi, I am Saptarshi and I want to pursue a physics major as an undergraduate in an ivy league college.</p>

<p>Here are my statistics: </p>

<p>Academics:
1. Top 10% in class
2. 88% in class X, 91% in science and 98% in maths(consider it as a 3.9 GPA in Indian System of Evaluation)
3. Got A in all subjects except english(B) in class XI and A+ in statistics
4. SAT I score: 2150. Maths: 800 CR:650 Writing: 700
5. SAT II score: (math level 1 and 2, physics) 2400
6. Certificate of Merit for outstanding result in Secondary School Final Year from CTD, Kolkata.
7. 2009 NSS Space Settlement Design Contest (NASA AMES RESEARCH CENTER) international participant. Presented with Honorable Mention.
8.National Workshop cum Seminar on School Physics (WSSP) 2009 Fellow/Student Alumni</p>

<p>Extracurriculars:
9.Secretary/Treasurer and Co-Founder of Star Gazers Astronomy Club at South Point High School, Kolkata
10. Magazine Editor for Star Gazers
11. Project Evaluation Officer for Star Gazers
12.Teacher in basic astronomy-provides guidance to junior students for clearing Junior Astronomy Olympiad (Indian: Regional)
13.Trained by Prof. D.P. Duari on advanced astronomy courses
14.Conducts research on newtonian physics
15.Fellow at RESONANCE undergoing intensive preparation for clearing IITJEE 2010
16.Helped raise funds for AILA cyclone victims and received special mention.
17.Nature Club (Social Service) Activist
18.Received Certificate of Honour from INDIAN ASSOCIATION OF RETIRED PERSONS for three consecutive years, for serving elderly people.</p>

<p>Consider strong recommendations, a toefl-ibt score of around 110/120 and solid essays.</p>

<p>Is there any chance? Any? </p>

<p>Its really a long post. Thanks for reading the whole of it.</p>

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<p>Small, especially if you need aid. The competition from India is brutal. The easiest ivies to get into, Cornell and Penn, are not need blind to internationals.</p>

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<p>well, where can i improve?</p>

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<p>I think you have a good chance. Your stats look really solid. Good luck!</p>

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<p>Your stats are impressive, but I’m curious. Do you know of any colleges besides HYPS? Diversity is such a big topic where plenty of terrific schools want to expand, why not consider some others? There are plenty of other schools to consider, don’t think HYP is the “end all”. Bowdoin, Swarthmore, etc.</p>

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<p>You could start by bringing up the SAT. They have oodles of Asian applicants with prefect math and science scores. You fit into the category of the stereotypical Indian applicant. Having some interests/honors/awards outside of this arena would be helpful. Otherwise, for these schools you need to be at the very top in India with major awards–truly exceptional, way beyond an 800 math score. Not just very top at your school, very top in the country.</p>

<p>Read the international board here for results from India in the last few years.</p>

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<p>Saptarshi, I just came back from a delicious Indian dinner here in the US.
Branch out a little- there are a lot of good schools here.</p>

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<p>“The easiest ivies to get into, Cornell and Penn, are not need blind to internationals.”</p>

<p>Penn is not the easiest to get into. Is that a joke? It’s slightly less difficult than Yale, and around the same ballpark as Columbia. Cornell, Brown, and Darty are all reasonably easier to get into than UPenn.</p>

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<p>Carin: hmom5 knows her stuff, so watch out. lol</p>

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<p>Untrue. Read the common data sets. Only Wharton is in Yale’s league but the nursing school balances it out with it’s much lower stats.</p>

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<p>How many people apply to the Nursing school? Exactly. People apply to Wharton, Engineering, and CAS. Maybe Penn is easier to get into if you apply to the Nursing school, but you should really disregard that statistic unless you actually plan on becoming a nurse, which quite frankly, is a sucky job. If you put that aside, it’s not easier to get into than Cornell or Brown or Dartmouth, or dare I say Columbia. I’d agree it’s easier than HYP, but don’t put it on the same boat as Cornell.</p>

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<p>You do the research. Penn has a higher overall admit rate and lower median stats than Columbia, Dartmouth and Brown by a considerable margin.</p>

<p>Penn has had an infiority complex about this as far back as when I worked in admissions there 3 decades ago.</p>

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<p>It’s still better than all three.</p>

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<p>As a Wharton grad, I love Penn too, but let’s get real:)</p>

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<p>As a Penn legacy, I am completely unbiased. It’s better than the other three. Whether you go by the US News Rankings or not (you seem to enjoy objective data) it’s better than the other three.</p>

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<p>Honestly? I gave birth to 3 Penn legacies and none chose to apply.</p>

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<p>Well you can’t say that BROWN is better than PENN. COME ON.</p>

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<p>hmom5 - none of your children chose to apply because you’re blind to progress, apparently.</p>

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<p>Yes; 3 decades ago, Penn was the worst school of the bunch. But if that’s where you’re getting your data from, you have a bit of updating to do. As of the early 2000s, Penn closed the gap with Columbia, Brown and Dartmouth. 3 years ago, it had approximately the same admissions rate as Brown and Dartmouth - that changed abruptly last year, but not for long. At any rate, the SAT and HS GPA difference between Penn and those schools is virtually negligible. Here’s a recent comparison I made between Penn and Columbia:</p>

<p>SAT middle 50%:
Penn: 1980 - 2250
Columbia: 1980 - 2220</p>

<p>Students in top 10% of HS class:
Columbia: 94%
Penn: 96%</p>

<p>From <a href=“http://www.admissionsconsultants.com/college/ivy_league_table.asp[/url]”>http://www.admissionsconsultants.com/college/ivy_league_table.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I also have a good one for Dartmouth which I’ll try to find on this site.</p>

<p>EDIT: Ah, here it is:
Dartmouth’s SAT scores are 3 points higher than Penn’s. For the class of 2012, Penn’s average was 1437, Dartmouth’s was 1440. That’s not even an entire question different!</p>

<p>Let’s talk about high school rank:
98.9% of Penn’s incoming class of 2012 was ranked in the top 10% of their high school classes. Dartmouth’s class of 2012 was 90.2%. That’s a pretty big difference.</p>

<p>Let’s talk about ACTs:
Penn:32.5
Dartmouth: 31</p>

<p>Also a large difference.</p>

<p>Bottom line - looking at all the info, it certainly appears that Penn is at least as selective - and possibly much MORE selective - than Dartmouth.</p>

<p>Are you happy I looked up all the info now?</p>

<p>All information from:
Class Profile
Penn: Facts and Figures</p>

<p>CONCLUSION - hmom5, update your facts.</p>

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<p>Oh, and hmom5 - one more thing. You shouldn’t seem so surprised by any of this information. Even 9 years ago, in The Atlantic’s 2001 and 2002 ranking, Penn still far outstripped Dartmouth and was alongside Columbia and Brown. Yes, even in terms of SAT and HS Class rank.</p>

<p>[A</a> Selectivity Database | A Sidebar to “The Selectivity Illusion”](<a href=“http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/11/collegetable.htm]A”>A Selectivity Database | A Sidebar to "The Selectivity Illusion")</p>

<p>Nor can you pin this all on Wharton, which is composes less than 1/5 of the school and whose influence is kept at least somewhat in check by the Nursing school’s mediocrity - indeed, the College, which makes up 60% of Penn, should get the lion’s share of the credit here. And according to “The Running of the Bulls”:

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<p>That was in 2003. Now that the entire school’s average is 1440, it’s fair to assume that the difference has narrowed even more; at any rate, it is CERTAINLY comparable to Columbia, Brown, et al.</p>

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<p>Thank you for standing up for UPenn. Really Hmom, although your children go to Harvard, don’t diss your alma mater especially with outdated facts.</p>