<p>So I assume they have also changed the application process for the coordinated dual degree programs, I might want to try to transfer into M&T sophomore year. Also, you don’t need any experience in statistics to take stat 430 right, I am taking math 114 in the fall, and then stat 430 in the spring. I’ve never taken a statistics course in my life</p>
<p>WWJR, would I be well advised to take math114 in the fall and then attempt stat430 in the spring, or should I take stat101 in the fall (to ease myself back into math, since I haven’t even done simple adding and subtracting since, like, 2 years ago) and then take math114 in the spring? </p>
<p>Also, for stat101: Rakhlin or Ewens? I’m assuming Ewens haven’t ever taught stat101 because he’s not rated on PCR (though his instructor ratings are pretty high for all other stat courses that he’s taught), and Rakhlin seems to have taught stat101 for a couple years now, though his rating seems to be average at best.</p>
<p>"i took stat 430, math 104, math 114, econ 1 (micro), econ 2 (macro), a writing seminar, and a few other classes from the college (IR, a poly sci) and that was about it. I also took a freshman seminar. 4 first semester and 5 second semester. "</p>
<p>Wait how did you get math 104, math 114, and stat 430 in one year? I thought you had to take math 114 as a pre-req for stat 430, or can you take it concurrently? Thanks.</p>
<p>maybe study a little math this summer, take math115 in fall, stat101 in spring. i just can’t recommend an internal transfer to do both 114 and 430. they’re just too hard. stat101/math115 would probably qualify as “rigor” but result in non-****ty grades</p>
<p>You say math 114 is more for engineers/math majors, while 115 is more for people just trying to fulfill reqs? Also, stat101 fits better into my fall schedule - would it matter if I took stat 101 first?</p>
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<li><p>It may say accounting 101 is a prereq for finance, but it doesn’t actually help (You do all the annuity stuff in accounting AFTER you do it in finance, at least with Mackinlay). You can take fnce100 without doing any of the prereqs and you’ll do fine (I was taking accounting concurrently–it’s actually a co-req, not a pre-req anyway, I think, and I Hadn’t even taken stat which is a real pre-req…)</p></li>
<li><p>I just took stat101 this summer, and I had to do a lot of stuff by hand?? It could have also been my teacher…also, if you’re doing stat 430, take it with Low in the spring. Also, you don’t need 114 if you do that with him bc he doesn’t use 114 calculus really. 430 is definitely a lot more [probability] theory and you don’t do as much actual stat in 430, it’s more of a math class in a way. Also, if you do Stat 101/102 and decide to do a stat concentration, you actually end up taking 430 as one of your four concentration classes. So there’s some overlap, but not a lot. (If you do 430/431 then concentrate in stat, it’s 4 additional courses)</p></li>
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<p>Like a lot of you I also want to do a dual degree between SEAS and Wharton or internally transfer to Wharton. </p>
<p>I finished planning out my courses today and I’m doing this:
Fall (5 cred)
Econ 101, Stat 430, Calc 114, CBE 150, Physics 050(lab corresponding to Mech), and Chem 053(lab)
Spring (5-6 cred)
Econ 102, Stat 431, Calc 240, CBE 160, Physics 051(lab corresponding to E&M), and Chem 053 Part 2(lab), and maybe a Writing Seminar</p>
<p>I took Econ, Stat, and Multi. Calc (Calc 114) in high school (got 4s on the AP for Econ and Stat) so I don’t think it’ll be too stressful </p>
<p>Also, I took APs for Physics C Mech and E&M so I got credit for Physics 150/151 and only have to do the labs corresponding to them
Same goes for Chem</p>
<p>So essentially the only new material I will be learning will be from CBE 150, an intro course</p>
<p>Theoretically this seems good(i’ll have about 17 credits after the end of my freshman year from APs) but do you see any problems I might run into?</p>
<p>That is going to be a difficult schedule, though not impossible. The main issue I see in terms of transferring is fulfilling the prereqs. In order to transfer, you need to have taken Econ 001 and Econ 002 by the end of your freshman year. Since you didn’t get 5’s on AP Micro and Macro and I don’t believe you get retroactive credit by taking Econ 101, you’re probably going to have to take those classes.</p>
<p>^what mockbaruckus said, plus, econ 102 doesn’t actually do anything for Wharton–if you look at dual stuff, it says specifically Wharton students must take finance 101, NOT econ 102. I guess it wouldn’t really matter if you’re taking econ 001 and 002 anyway though.
Also, why CBE and Wharton? That’s super super rare (just because they don’t tend to mix, whereas some engineering majors go better with business), and CBE is also one of the hardest engineering majors, so dualing will be very difficult…</p>
<p>I wouldn’t recommend that schedule. I’d say to take it easy first semester and then do whatever you want after that.</p>
<p>Taking Math 114, Econ 101 and Stat 430 concurrently is going to suck. I don’t know much about the labs and the CBE class, but they are undoubtedly going to make your life even worse. </p>
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<p>Almost everyone at Penn took AP and IB classes in high school. The people who take “hard” classes right from the beginning and hit the ground running usually went to very competitive high schools. This isn’t to slight your academic ability, I know nothing about you, but being extremely ambitious your first semester might come back and bite you in the ass. Econ 101 and Stat 430 will be almost entirely new, and you’ll be competing against second semester freshmen and upperclassmen. It’s very easy to underestimate a classes difficulty and workload, and then you have to factor in the curve. </p>
<p>If you can do it, more power to you. My personal opinion is that there’s no need to rush those requirements, and it’ll probably do you better to take a more standard first semester to get adjusted to the workload and to get involved in extracurriculars. You can ramp up the difficulty second semester after you have a better idea of what you’re capable of and what you want.</p>
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<p>In general, do you think Math 114, Cis 110, Writ Seminar, Mgmt 100, and econ 010, will be too difficult a workload first semester?</p>
<p>Nah, you’ll probably be fine.</p>
<p>you can take math 114 and stat 430 concurrently. it may take a little nagging to get a permit, but its def possible.</p>
<p>another question - it seems like stat101 is formally a Wharton class. The syllabus does say that it is not inappropriate for college students, and that it does fulfill the qualitative analysis req. However, how many college students are actually enrolled in stat101? Do they give non-wharton kids a cold shoulder?</p>
<p>Also, will stat101 be too difficult for first sem. if I don’t have any stat background?</p>
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<p>Is that even a serious question?!</p>
<p>powerbomb, students like you give give the ■■■■■■ legitimacy, in addition to giving Penn a bad name.</p>
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<p>uh…why? It’s a legitimate concern to feel like I might not fit in within a certain class. Besides, while the division of Wharton and the other schools at Penn is certainly overblown by some, it would be something between naivete and denial to suggest there is absolutely no sense of separation between the Wharton students and the rest.</p>
<p>stat101, along with acct101, is one of the wharton classes most commonly taken by college students.</p>
<p>Never mind.</p>
<p>HafsaRox, I wouldn’t necessarily call asking questions on an online forum obsession. </p>
<p>That said, I don’t agree with your sentiment. Penn doesn’t suck. There are things that could be better (much like everywhere else), but there are a lot of other redeeming factors as well.</p>