<p>My D was accepted by Midd early but the financials did not work out. We are looking for one or two more safety schools to apply to. She is applying to Wellesley, Emory and a few others for RD
D is an international applicant from India. She's doing the full IB Baccalaureate at a United World College.
SAT : 2260
IB Predicted: 36/42
Doing 4 HLs including Further Math, Physics, Chemistry and Global Politics. SLs are Spanish and English.
ECs are very strong, D is a recipient of the Davis Scholarship for contributions to school community.</p>
<p>She wants a liberal arts education but would not like to be in a very small school that is located in a rural area (except for Midd, which she loved for other reasons).
She wants her safeties to be in cities, where opportunities for internships and jobs after graduation would be high.
She is interested in studying Mathematics, Physics and International Relation/Pol Sci
I know it is very late in the applications time line but any help would be appreciated!</p>
<p>How about Fordham or George Washington? I assume her SAT/ACT was high if she got in to Midd ED. If so, she could be up for merit $$$ at either. Not sure how they treat internationals re: merit though. Worth looking into. Both would offer excellent internship opps.</p>
<p>If the financials didn’t work at Midd, then we need to know what you need for a safety to work out.</p>
<p>How much do you want to pay? </p>
<p>It sounds like you need MERIT because your “family contribution” is too high. Unfortunately, many the deadlines for the BEST merit scholarships at the schools that give them have passed.</p>
<p>Once you tell us what you need the net price to be, we may be able to suggest some schools.</p>
<p>What is her M+CR breakdown? That is what really matters.</p>
<p>You should have mentioned that your D is an int’l.</p>
<p>AND…YOU DO NOT have to wait for an ED release to apply elsewhere. You should have long applied elsewhere. There is NO RULE that you can’t have many apps submitted while also applying ED. You can only apply to one ED school, but you can simultaneously apply to many RD and some EA schools.</p>
<p>If Midd calculated your “need” unfavorably, then likely other schools will, too. Sounds like your D needs large merit. </p>
<p>As pointed out in other threads, this student didn’t send in ANY other apps, and is in the process of declining Midd’s offer (they have refused requests to improve the FA offer). I think they do need to get other apps sent in, it sounds like the Midd ship has sailed and the ED offer is being declined.</p>
<p>As long as they have declined the offer (or are in the process of doing so), then its not an issue to apply to other schools. Haven’t read any other thread on this issue-- just this one.</p>
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If a person is free to apply to other schools while waiting for an ED acceptance to come in, why is it unethical to apply to other schools right now (the family has NOT accepted the ED offer)??? </p>
<p>The rule about withdrawing other apps has to do with accepting ED offer and FA pkg. this family isn’t accepting ED offer and FA pkg so the family isn’t bound by that.</p>
<p>Either way, the family will be declining Midd…unless the family is just testing the waters elsewhere and will fund Midd if other options aren’t desirable. </p>
<p>The family’s BIG MISTAKE was NOT applying to several schools 4-8 weeks ago while waiting for the Midd results. The family likely will have an unaffordable EFC at all schools except maybe HYPS, so if large merit is needed to reduce COA to what the family can pay, then sadly many deadlines have passed. </p>
<p>It was not that the EFC was too high, our financial situation itself changed after we submitted the CSS Profile to Midd. She should qualify for more aid now. Midd is mostly likely not going to work out.
M+CR was 750+760</p>
<p>Thanks for telling us about Fordham, George Washington and Minnesota. We would be grateful for any more suggestions.</p>
<p>Are you saying that your situation drastically changed, yet Midd won’t accept that? If so, why would other schools accept that info? You will still have to put in 2014 info, with a notation of the “change”. Midd didn’t think the “change” warranted more aid, so why would another school?</p>
<p>You need to tell us how much Midd expected you to pay…and how much you CAN pay. </p>
<p>Also, can you share what the change in circumstance is and how it affects the family?</p>
<p>(parents and students of juniors need to take note…even if you believe that you can afford a school when you do ED, assume that a financial setback may happen and apply to some safeties simultaneously. Every year, at this time, there are similar posts…job loss, parents separate, etc. No way to predct these things.)</p>
<p>We can afford to pay 25k at this point. Midd calculated our EFC at 45k. One of the parents had to stop working, which is why Midd was not an option. Another thing we felt was against us was that my husband and I are both self employed and we do not have a pension/gratuity for the future. The way 45k x 4 years added up, Midd would have cleaned up all our savings for our old age. </p>
<p>You may be a little late in the game. If you want safeties, and I mean real safeties, you need to only consider schools that you can afford list price. I can’t guarantee that she will “like” these schools, but others have used them as financial safeties. </p>
<p>Two public liberal arts colleges with low list prices are
University of Minnesota Morris
Truman State University </p>
<p>Both are rural and moderately small. But they are decent and within your budget. University of Minnesota-Morris offers automatic transfer to UMinn - Twin Cities, so if you want to splurge for the last two years, Twin Cities now costs in the neighborhood of $30K, so 2 years at Morris and 2 years at Twin Cities might be doable. </p>
<p>If you can stretch to $30K, it might be too late to get into Twin Cities College of Science and Engineering, but it may not be too late for the College of Liberal Arts. </p>
<p>You and your husband are both currently self-employed?</p>
<p>Being self-employed is going to hurt you at schools that use CSS Profile. </p>
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<p>Is one of the parents injured or ill? If not, can that parent return to work within the year?</p>
<p>Please clarify…you say that you can afford $25k per year.</p>
<p>Well…as an international, you will also have int’l travel costs AND insurance costs…these will cost about $4k per year. Does that $25k include paying for int’l travel AND health insurance costs? If so, then your budget is closer to $20k for your child’s net cost.</p>
<p>What country are you in? How expensive would be one-way travel in the Fall…and then again in the Spring (assuming that the student would not come home for winter holidays. If you’d want her to come home for those 2-3 weeks, you’d have to figure those costs as well.</p>
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<p>Well, for math and physics, she could apply to UA-Huntsville and get a good bit of merit. Likely full tuition award. Remaining costs would be about $17k per year…that would allow the rest of your money to cover travel, health insurance and any misc costs.</p>
<p>How about some Catholic univs? I don’t know which ones might give a full or near full tuition award. Look to see what UDayton’s max merit is. I also don’t know if the Catholic univs award to int’ls. </p>
<p>Middlebury guarantees to meet full need of all admitted students, including internationals.; therefore it concerns me that what Middlebury considers to be your demonstrated need doesn’t match your actual need. You may end up in the same situation at other “need only” schools like Wellesley. If the schools don’t offer NPCs for internationals then your need based aid is really unpredictable.</p>
<p>I would immediately widen your daughter’s list of schools that offer merit aid to internationals.</p>
<p>Merit aid is also highly unpredictable – for everyone – so you have to cast a wide net. My impression is that schools that are in major cities tend to get more international applicants (especially East and South Asians), so the competition is fiercer. If she gets out of the cities and looks more toward the central or southern parts of the country, your daughter will have a better chance of admission with merit aid.</p>
<p>Schools that offer merit aid to internationals (though the amount is variable) Macalester, Grinnell, Kenyon, Smith, Rhodes, Ohio Wesleyan, Mt. Holyoke</p>
<p>The location of the school has very little bearing on the “opportunities for internships and jobs after graduation.” Most internships are in the summer/vacation months and many colleges located in rural areas or small towns do very well in places their students in internships and jobs after graduation. I can understand that your daughter may prefer an urban setting, but if she could see herself at Middlebury, she should keep an open mind about other rural schools.</p>
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<p>That’s what concerns me.</p>
<p>Also, there’s the issue that one self-employed parent has stopped working. Now, if that’s due to illness or documented disability that will prevent work for a year or more, then Midd should have taken that into consideration. If the decision to stop working is due to choice, then Midd may not be as sympathetic. It’s not as if a self-employed person gets laid-off.</p>