anyone consider becoming a teacher or a professor?

<p>Well, look, I don't think that teachers are getting paid extravagant salaries. </p>

<p>But on the other hand, like I said in this thread, I think that teachers are doing fairly well for themselves. While it is obviously true that teachers don't make impressive amounts of money, neither do most Americans. I believe that the median teacher salary is somewhere around 42k, which is roughly the same salary of the median American household. But let's not forget that the average American doesn't get the whole summer off and doesn't have tenure, which makes you nearly unfireable. When you look at it that way, teachers don't have it too shabby. Name another career path that will give you the whole summer off every year.</p>

<p>they actually get about 1 month off, because they work after and before school starts. They also work evenings and weekends without pay. Name another career path that does that...besides wal mart workers of course.</p>

<p>oooh! i thought of someone who has record vactations and who's cronies have made unfireable!</p>

<p>does anyone hear "hail to the chief"....</p>

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they actually get about 1 month off, because they work after and before school starts.

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<p>Look, the regular school year is about 180 days (not counting weekends). Tack on a bunch of professional development days and so forth, and we're looking at maybe 190 days. A regular person probably works 240 days a year (not counting weekend, vacations, etc.)Hence the difference is about 50 days, again, not counting weekends. Since there are 5 working days in a week, that basically means that teachers get 10 weeks off more than do regular people. It's not a bad deal when you think about it. </p>

<p>But hey, if you don't believe me, you can look up some teacher contracts. Many, if not most of them are in the public domain (although they may involve driving down to City Hall to view them). The contracts specifically state how many days a teacher is expected to work in a given district in a year. Few if any districts stipulate any more than 200 days, and most are for far less than that. </p>

<p>As far as working evenings and weekends without pay? How about every single other salaried profession out there? You think engineers don't work evenings and weekends without pay? You think accountants and bookkeepers don't? You think salesmen don't? Trust me, a LOT of people out there work evenings and weekends without pay. And they don't even get the benefit of getting the summer off. </p>

<p>And again, the most interesting aspect of the whole deal is tenure. It's a rare job in which you get job protection like that. In the private sector, you can do a fantastic job...and get fired anyway. In teaching, if you have tenure, you can sit back and do the absolute bare minimum to get by and know that they can't get rid of you unless you do something ridiculous like sleep with a student. </p>

<p>It's a pretty darn good deal when you think about it. I know a lot of Americans wouldn't mind getting the summer off and wouldn't mind having work tenure.</p>

<p>Look, I'm not saying that teaching is the greatest job in the world. Indeed, it has its problems. But so do a lot of other jobs. Believe me, there are some truly crappy jobs out there. Teachers may not be on the gravy train, but they are a lot better off than a lot of other people.</p>

<p>Wow, except for the fact that summer is 10 weeks long and they work about 3 weeks before school starts and 3 weeks after it ends yielding 1 month, just like i said. I was talking about summer.</p>

<p>And the evening and weekend thing was a joke about wal mart. Of course other professions do to. It's just that it's highly overlooked that teachers do that.</p>

<p>"Teachers may not be on the gravy train, but they are a lot better off than a lot of other people."</p>

<p>Except that they are horrendously underpaid for the really hard job they do.... in other countries teachers make bank while doctors and lawyers get okay salaries. Our priorities are ridiculous.</p>

<p>What would it takes to be a classics prof? Wouldn't it be harder to get grants and do original research than in the sciences, where the field is constantly expanding?</p>

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except for the fact that summer is 10 weeks long and they work about 3 weeks before school starts and 3 weeks after it ends yielding 1 month, just like i said. I was talking about summer.

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<p>Again, like I said, I encourage you to actually go and read a teacher's contract some time, and specifically look for the number of days they are contracted to work per year. You should note that they are expected to work substantially fewer days than the average person is. Whether those days happen to crop up during the summer or some other time doesn't matter, the bottom line is that they work substantially fewer days than the average person does. </p>

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Except that they are horrendously underpaid for the really hard job they do.... in other countries teachers make bank while doctors and lawyers get okay salaries. Our priorities are ridiculous.

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<p>On the other hand, you also realize the flip side of the coin - the teaching profession here is open to those college graduates who, to be perfectly honest, aren't that good. Let's face it. In this country, the valedictorian from Harvard probably wants to become a doctor or a lawyer more than he/she wants to become a teacher. Now, yes, there are some teachers that are brilliant, but on the other hand, I think we all know other teachers who were just plain mediocre as students. Contrast that to what happens in those other countries you mention. In those other countries, you can become a teacher only if you graduate from the very best schools, and at the very top of your class. I know in Hong Kong, for example, you basically have to be an academic star to become a teacher. If you're not a star, you have no chance of getting hired.</p>

<p>So the point is that the free market adjusts. In other countries, teachers are paid like superstars, and so they end up getting superstars to work as teachers. In this country, teachers don't get paid like stars (although, in my opinion, are still paid fairly well for the perks they get), and as a result, you don't really get many superstars to come work as teachers. To a large extent, you end up with those people who , quite frankly, couldn't get a better job doing something else. Now, again, I'm not saying that all teachers are like that, but the truth is, a lot are. The fact is, a lot (not all, but a lot) of teachers really are teachers because they weren't good enough to get something better. </p>

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What would it takes to be a classics prof? Wouldn't it be harder to get grants and do original research than in the sciences, where the field is constantly expanding?

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<p>Obviously it would take an advanced degree, almost certainly a doctorate. But not only that. You would then have to fight for a tenure-track opening and hope you get it. Then you would have to actually win tenure, a multi-year ordeal. You might end up having to become an adjunct lecturer for awhile, making a pittance. </p>

<p>Obviously it is much harder to get grants and do original research in a field like Classics where the money is tight. Hence, you have to seriously think about whether you really want to go down this road or not. It's a tough road, no doubt about it. You do it because you truly have a burning desire to be a classics academic, not because you think you're really going to make a lot of money doing it.</p>

<p>Yeah I love classics, and I know profs don't get paid much on a yearly basis. I've pretty much decided that being a classics prof is what I want to do, I just am trying to get a good picture of what it entails. Thanks for the reply.</p>

<p>Starting salary in Broward County, FL is $34,000. I don't think any teachers make less than $30,000. It's a good job if you're in it for the long run. Extravagant? Certainly not. But they're not starving...</p>