Anyone decided on housing yet? (Class 2010)

<p>I've spent awhile looking at a lot of the threads about housing,
(just a few links) <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=28575&page=1&pp=15&highlight=housing%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=28575&page=1&pp=15&highlight=housing&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=90479&highlight=housing%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=90479&highlight=housing&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=158856&highlight=housing%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=158856&highlight=housing&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=123974&highlight=housing%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=123974&highlight=housing&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=56257&highlight=housing%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=56257&highlight=housing&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=72233&highlight=housing%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=72233&highlight=housing&lt;/a>
that gives a pretty good overview, ppl can thank me later for finding all the opinions about the housing :P</p>

<p>anyways, wondering what people are thinking and what you all rank the 4 choices as and why</p>

<p>personally i'm torn between Carman, John Jay, and H&W
Carman and JJ because of the social life (Carman gets the vote for bathroom, JJ for privacy tho)
H&W gets points for just being a cool layout (i think)
all the reports about furnold being anti-social turns me off even tho its supposed to have the nicest bathrooms and whatnot</p>

<p>I think I'm probably leaning towards a single in John Jay, although my sister thinks I should go for a double to get the "true college experience"</p>

<p>EDIT: Oh yes, THANKS! for all the housing opinion links :)</p>

<p>yea i'm split between carman & JJ...
h&w are a bit too structured for me</p>

<p>As a first-year in a John Jay single, I don't recommend the LLC (Hartley or Wallach). You will want to be with the rest of the freshmen, which means either JJ or Carman. Both are good. I love my single, and I wouldn't want to live in Carman. This doesn't mean I'm anti-social or anything, it's just that it sucks not to have your own room. There's some partying in John Jay, but definitely not as much as Carman. There is a lot of floor unity in John Jay, but possibly not as much as Carman. That's all there is to know. I recommend the John Jay single; trust me, you'll get the "college experience" your first few nights of orientation (or, dis-orientation, if you will). However, Carman is definitely a little bit more social than John Jay. The most important thing, imo, is to live in a dorm that is exclusively first-years. Also, try to do COOP.</p>

<p>the ONLY drawback to JJ i see is the bathrooms, are they passable tho? i thought i read they were only cleaned once a week...i'm not really a germophobe but i've never dealt with communal bathrooms (have dealt with suite style ones tho)</p>

<p>honestly the more i think about it the more i am drawn to JJ for singles, location, and social life but like i said the bathrooms concern me :P</p>

<p>john jay bathrooms are clean monday-friday.....over the weekend they can and will get messy but its not that big of a deal</p>

<p>something they don't tell you (at least i dont remember knowing) is that some of the doubles in JJ are walkthrough doubles -- so essentially you have a roommate while still having a single. Having known that I would have tried for a roommate in JJ because I like my JJ single, but having a roommate might have been kinda fun i suppose. Though, just as a warning, not all doubles are walkthrough -- there are 3 doubles on each floor and 2 are walk through.</p>

<p>dont suppose you have some pics to help give a visual image to what you mean by walkthrough eh?</p>

<p>Think of it as one bedroom apartment. You walk in and there's a living room. And then there's a bedroom. One person is in the living room and the other is in the living room.</p>

<p>ew....that doesnt sound too great...especially if you are the guy on the outside and get paired with some obnoxious guy who likes to come home at 4am the night before you have an o.chem final, but maybe thats personal preference/fear?</p>

<p>Yep, the outside room is clearly the worse one. I'm not a fan of the walk-through thing. But, you have some privacy. It is probably better than a double if you hate doubles.</p>

<p>wait, so whats this i hear about furnald being anti-social? i was researching the options and i was all ready to pick furnald single as my first choice but then i read all this stuff about it being so quiet...
i kind of liked the idea of being able to live with sophomores as well as freshmen, and columbia's site described it as an environment that "encourages social interaction." Is that really false? Also, it def seemed to have the best ammenities and whatnot.... If I want a single, but also want to be social, do I need to go for JJ? Any current Columbia students want to help...?</p>

<p>Oh, housing. Once you're going to be a sophomore and you're looking at housing, you realize how fabulous first year housing is. here's the breakdown about carman, candid, and from a carman resident. Stuff I've seen/know about John Jay, LLC and furnald will come at the end. </p>

<p>Carman:
Location-
114th and Broadway. Other than Furnald, I would say that Carman, out of all the first year dorms, has the best location. Carman is the closest freshmam dorm to the subway station at 116th and Broadway (after Furnald that is). It's Broadway location also puts you right across the street from a supermarket, starbucks, and local off-campus eateries. The bars that freshmen frequent such as the West End are located on Broadway, as well as pizza places such as Korenet's and diners such as Tom's. Overall, Broadway seems to be a more kickin' street than Amsterdam (the street that John Jay and the LLC are on). Carman is in between the subway station that you'll probably be coming back from late at night and the more downtown scene on Broadway. Another factor that makes Carman one of the best locations is that it is RIGHT next Lerner Hall. Lerner Hall is a student center where you can pick up your mail and packages, where a lot of student groups meet and practice, and where you can go to on campus eateries that take columbia points such as Ferris Booth and Cafe 212. It's great to not have to carry a package very far, and be able to run next door to eat. Carman is also closer to Hewitt Dining Hall than John Jay or the LLC, which is Barnard's dining hall, and in my opinion, a LOT better than John Jay. Note to incoming freshmen- you really, really should check out Hewitt early on. If you have a bad meal, go back one more time to make sure it wasn't just a bad night. That being said, the walk across campus isn't particularly far and should NOT be the most decisive thing, but I found that walking back to campus with fellow John Jay classmates that I appreciated the shorter walk. I talked a lot about location because no one really told me this last year, and it really is good to know.</p>

<p>Set up:
One door opens to three doors- two of those doors are rooms of two, the other is a bathroom. There's a lot posted about the social environment of Carman, so I don't feel the necessity to elaborate. I had problems with my roommate this year, she moved out, and now I have a really big single in Carman. This happens to probably like five people or so. Carman is true to its rep as the party/social dorm. The hallways are wide and the lounge is VERY small, but we'll often gather in the lounge or the hallways to talk and socialize. Bathroom cleanliness depends on your suitemates. There are two elevators and a service elevator. Elevators are fast, but sometimes they break, and living on a higher floor, it takes FOREVER if one elevator is broken. </p>

<p>Extra Little Good Stuff:
View in Carman is generally fabulous. Even if you're on a lower floor and you're view ain't so hot, the windows are HUGE and give a good amount of sunlight. From my room, I can see 114th and Broadway from one angle and the Empire State building from another. Some rooms have very beautiful views of the Empire State Building. The windows facing into campus have a beautiful view of the heart of Columbia's campus, everything ranging from the Low Library to Columbia's other classical buildings. If natural sunlight is important to you, Carman is the way to go. Air conditioning was a MAJOR factor for me. It is HOT HOT HOT when you first come here, and I was NOT in ANY WAY used to the humidity. John Jay kids told me they had trouble sleeping at night because it was such a furnace, and a lot of them came to Carman during the day. It's REALLY nice to have air conditioning. Also, Carman has PLENTY of storage/closet space...in comparison to the other freshman dorms. Laundry room very large...I've seen kids from John Jay come to use it. </p>

<p>Extra Little *****ty Stuff:
The cinderblock walls are way less than charming and the cold tiled floors suck. Buy some sort of rug/carpet for the floor, I'm just not a huge fan. Dust bunnies get everywhere with the tile floors, and a swiffer will probably help too. The flourescent lighting looks really harsh with the cold tiled floors and the cinderblock walls. Oh, and getting posters to stick on our walls can be kind of a pain. Only one kitchen in the basement, and it's kind of gross. Elevators get messy during the weekends because of drunken parties. </p>

<p>Furnald:
Location-
115th and Broadway. Same benefits as Carman in location. Carman is closer to Lerner Hall and the local Morningside Heights scene, but only by a block, so whatever. </p>

<p>Setup-
Mostly singles, some doubles. Shared hall bathroom. I've only glimpsed at a Furnald single- they're nice, carpeted, with a small window. The Furnald doubles in my opinion seem a lot more cramped than the Carman ones because Carman closets/ storage are built into the wall, saving space, while Furnald closets/storage stick out and take up floor space. GREAT kitchen and HUGE lounge area on the floor. Much bigger lounge area than Carman. </p>

<p>Extra Little Good Stuff:
Air conditioning. It is HOT when you get here...I'm not used to it. I'm used to California weather :) with lots of sunshine and little humidity. Very nice amenities with a kitchen on every floor and a great lounge. Kitchen on every floor means microwave, which I found out is a pretty great thing to have in college. Rooms are carpeted.</p>

<p>Extra Little *****ty Stuff:
Not too social. Most people here like to get their work done, when I'm there it seems like doors are closed, but its quiet if you want your dorm to be a place to do work and to remove yourself from socializing/fraternizing. Furnald helps you seperate your school life from your home life more so than Carman I think. Most freshmen I've met in Furnald aren't too social and seem to keep to themselves a lot. If you think the idea of Carman sounds revolting, you should go to Furnald. It's a lot cleaner..not so much as Carman is just naturally gross...it only gets gross because of the people living in it. (gross as in trash in elevators/hallways/etc). </p>

<p>I'll come back later with details about LLC and John Jay. I've procrastinated too much already. Time to study. If you have any questions, feel free to IM me.</p>

<p><em>bows to lilsmileycolumbian for the awesome info</em></p>

<p>more procrastination!!</p>

<p>LLC:
Location- Amsterdam, on the other side of campus from Carman and Furnald. "Other side of campus" being one New York City avenue if you know how long those are. It really isn't UBER far, but boy, sometimes my friends are too lazy to walk to the end of the hallway to visit me. Close to the Amsterdam bar scene, which some people claim is better than the Broadway bar scene. Amsterdam is known as being a little bit more "ghetto" than Broadway. Hungarian Pastry Shop, popular Columbia cafe and kind of work place is on 111th and Amsterdam. Hamilton Hall, a building that you'll probably have one or two classes in, is next door to the LLC as well. Hartley, one of the LLC buildings, is where you go if you get locked out of your room. So, if you happen to get locked out often, or misplace your key a lot, you might want to live in the LLC so you can trek across campus less. Note about keys: Carman doors automatically lock when you close it, Furnald doors don't, and I don't know about the rest of the buildings. Wallach is also next door to John Jay Dining Hall, which I view as more of a curse because I'd rather eat at Barnard. </p>

<p>Set-Up:
Definitely my favorite in terms of set-up. Four suites of ten (I believe) on every floor, and each suite has a communal bathroom in the middle (shared between genders I'm pretty sure) and kitchen. Carpet. The windows are kind of small, few freshmen will get singles, and every double that I've been to is rectangular shaped, while Carmen doubles are a mixture of square shaped and rectangular shaped. I find square shaped Carman rooms more aesthetically appealing (yeah i'm a dork). I think Hartley/Wallach have a more at home feel however.</p>

<p>Extra Little Good Stuff:
Kitchen and common area in every suite. People actually use the kitchens too. A cozy, very home-like feeling. Less college dorm-y. Those things are good if you'd rather live in a homier environment. Clean. JJ's, the late night fryery (because everything they sell there is fried), in John Jay, which is connected to the LLC, so you can get late night snacks (open Sunday 4pm-4am, Monday-Thurs 8pm-4am). I consider it a bad thing, because boy would I get fatter from late night fried food. The trek across campus usually deters me.</p>

<p>Extra Little ****ty Stuff: No air conditioning. I cannot emphasize enough how important this is to me. I was there at the beginning of school and I thought I was being cooked alive. I got so hot and sick that I had to leave. Lighting feels kind of dim, and building can be confusing to people like me. I'm not sure how I feel about co-ed bathrooms either. Also, people believe that there's a general lack of freshmen social life, but I disagree. I feel like from being there, freshmen are generally cohesive, and everybody I talk to that lives there likes it. I haven't met anybody that said they hated the LLC, and many people go back there to live as sophomores.</p>

<p>John Jay:
Location: Corner of Amsterdam and 114th. Same benefits as LLC.
Set-Up: You know the drill. Singles with like three doubles on every floor or something. Hall bathrooms for each gender. The rooms, in my humble opinion, are a little bit more cramped than I would like. It fits a bed, a desk, your dresser, and maybe like a guest chair. It's pretty tiny. The ceilings feel kind of low, and the hallways are very narrow (especially compared to Carman hallways), so I can't imagine that they sit in the hallway and chat often (correct me if I'm wrong). I know the least about John Jay.</p>

<p>Little Extra Good Stuff:
If you are set on having a single, and want the usual college dorm experience, john jay is the way to go. But you already knew that. Its over the dining hall and JJs is in the basement. Doors are usually open, and people have good experiences living in John Jay. </p>

<p>Little Extra ****ty Stuff:
Rooms are SMALL. Closet/storage space doesn't look quite adequete to me. Views are okay...windows are small and you will either get a view of the campus or a view of Ruggles, a building next door. Carman's much sunnier. </p>

<p>Once again, I live in Carman, so yes, I have a slight bias. If I could do it all over again I MIGHT have picked the LLC but probably not. The kitchen really isn't going to matter because you're on this daym meal plan. For the sake of making friends and building up a network of people, picking John Jay or Carman, as I know you've heard a million times, is the best idea. And..PICK MEAL PLAN FOUR! Period. I don't care who you are. I don't care how much you eat. Pick meal plan four.</p>

<p>Just to hammer home a point...</p>

<p>MEAL PLAN FOUR!
MEAL PLAN FOUR!
MEAL PLAN FOUR!
MEAL PLAN FOUR!</p>

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Just to hammer home a point...</p>

<p>MEAL PLAN FOUR!
MEAL PLAN FOUR!
MEAL PLAN FOUR!
MEAL PLAN FOUR!

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<p>I'll hammer it home too. As others have said, people who pick high-meals/low-points plans generally wish they had more points and less meals. NOBODY wishes they had more meals and less points.</p>

<p>lilsmileycolumbian, just out of curiosity, where are you originally from? i only ask because you stress the AC thing a lot... i really have a hard time believing it gets THAT hot in NYC in september</p>

<p>(then again i live in central virginia[summer = 80-90ish,100% humidity] and have never lived with AC so <em>shrug</em>)</p>

<p>i got meal plan one my first semester and hated it so much that i switched to four the next term (additional $50 fee). four is the way to go, and anyone who tells you differently should go kill themselves. Columbia shouldn't even offer other meal plans, they're just unfeasibly difficult to finish.</p>

<p>California. Well even now, in fifty two degree weather, my room feels really hot, and I have to have the window open. My house usually doesn't keep AC on either, but for some reason, these dorms seem to get really warm. Mind you, air conditioning + bathroom were the two big factors for me, so my housing preferences just reflect one persons experience.</p>