<p>^ a good point. </p>
<p>also, entrepreneurship may be #1 (and not for long), but whats the overall business rank? its ranked even lower than UMD - babson is barely ranked even top 30. theres no point paying an extra 100k for 4 years to go to a school with worse social life and mediocre academic reputation.</p>
<p>i chose umd, for good reasons.</p>
<p>yup I chose Bentley. I didn't even apply to Babson because once Babson looses it's hold on that #1 rank for Entrepreneurship it will start to slide down. It is only a matter of time before the best business school in the country (Wharton) surpasses Babson in Entrepreneurship and claims Entrepreneurship as one of its many concentrations that are ranked at the top. Babson is basically only good for future entrepreneurs and even then it doesn't have too much in terms of real results to show for itself.</p>
<p>Bentley on the other hand is also a boutique business school with a much better social life then Babson. Academically Bentley is better then Babson for other concentrations within the business field besides Entrepreneurship such as Finance, Accounting etc...</p>
<p>Bentley is also going to surpass Babson as the top B school of the 3 B's (Bentley, Bryant and Babson) within a few years. It is gaining much greater national recognition from Kaplan/Newsweek and Princetonreview then any of its other counterparts and it is attracting many kids who would otherwise choose Babson except then they find out Babson has one of the hardest freshman workloads out of any school in the country and in then end those who graduate from Bentley do less work and are equally if not more qualified for the job.</p>
<p>You clearly made the right move by going to UMD. For business it is better then Babson, socially it is better then Babson, it has awesome Division I athletics teams and has so many other students that you will encounter people from every walk of life with countless interests.</p>
<p>I'm also extremely happy I chose Bentley.</p>
<p>you made the right choice as well. also, to js1126: i would without any doubt go to drexel. coming out in 5 yrs with two good degrees - and work experience at that - is invaluable.</p>
<p>to all the babsonites, i wish you all the best. in the end my final choice came down to umd, wharton, or babson.</p>
<p>umd 09.</p>
<p>I'm going to Babson because Bentley did not give me enough financial aid; Babson gave me over 10,000 more in grants. I don't have any desire to put any of the two schools down, but I do have to say I had a preference over Babson for Bentley because Bentley appeared to be more well rounded. I wasn't sure about Babson's social life, but then again it is what you make of it. I think I will be happy at Babson. </p>
<p>Statistically, according to Us News World Reports, babson is 29th in rank for the best general business programs. Bentley does not even touch the top 50. The reports may be somewhat biased, though. Rankings aren't what make up a school. They should be disregarded when choosing a school. Again I choose Babson because of financial reasons even though Bentley was more appealing to. </p>
<p>I think all the schools mentioned in this topic have their benefits, and downfalls. The bashing however, is unnecessary. All of the colleges mentioned are great, and we should focus on congraulating others rather than dissing their schools. If Babson loses its reputation, thats sad, but hey, **** happens. As of NOW it has a great program, no matter what the predictions may say. </p>
<p>I hope everyone is successful, and find their happiness. First 05, then 09!! Best wishes to those at Babson, Bentley, Umd, Wharton, and all of the other schools! Congrats. Ciao!</p>
<p>Cici,
Babson 09.</p>
<p>How do you guys know that Babson is losing its grip on entrepreneurship? Do you have some sort of factual article or statistics on something? Otherwise you are just trying to pass off your grudges/opinions as facts.</p>
<p>I dont think Babson is loosing its grip, its held its rank up there at the number 1 spot for more than 7 or 8 years and i dont see the tides changing any time soon because of the extent to which they specialize in entreprenuership when compared to other B- Schools like Wharton.</p>
<p>the whole reason is time. Babson has been on top for so long that the other schools are going to catch up. Wharton is number one in so many categoires and it will catch Babson in the next few years. You do have a point currently it is at the top so even if ***** does happen you'll know going into it it was a good choice.</p>
<p>So you think that because its been number one for so long its going to fall? Why? That's assuming that because of time other schools such as Stern and Wharton will gain the edge because they will improve at a much greater rate than Babson. Just as schools like these are working to improve their programs so is Babson. You haven't justified your opinion at all... you tried to justify it with another one of your own opinions.</p>
<p>I am disappointed by some of the absurd opinions on this thread. </p>
<p>Scagneas- to believe that you chose UMD over Babson and wharton on pure academic merit is laughable, the reasons are strictly financial, there is no need for you to try to bash Babson. Just say it came down to money and move on instead of whining about the possibility of it losing its grip on the number one spot. Lets face it, if Wharton (the dark side) does take over, the academics at Babson haven't neccesarily declined in quality. </p>
<p>To try to say that Bentley is a better school than Babson lol. The Bentley rep who came to our school told us to go Babson if we got in. I guess if you like a highway running through your campus, large class sizes, and a less intellectual / international student body, go to Bentley. </p>
<p>I understand but disagree with the conclusion of Dunkaroo's argument. The idea of time, in economics the catch up effect, the idea that it is easier to make large percentage gains when starting with very little. So ok they may narrow the gap by neccisity. Yet there is a limit to the size narrowing of the gap, so long as Babson is as innovative as the other schools they will not be caught ever. To follow the economics example Babson is an established economic superpower and any developing country is Wharton in Enterpeuneral programs. Developing countries GDP growth rates are higher, they gain in their slice of the economic pie, but their slice never becomes larger than established countries in a relatively short period of time.</p>
<p>Babson has found it's niche and the more years it is the established number one the more resources it has to defend this, the more likely it become that they will keep it. </p>
<p>My other point is equally important if we lose #1 to Wharton, isn't Babson still the #1 small business school in the country? Given that you define school as the entire university. Also if Babson is second behind Wharton than I am still proud of it. </p>
<p>Personally I find this argument tedious which is why I have refrained from joining it until now. It is important to help guide peers in any way we can so that they chose the right school. once these decisions have been made what's the point, can't we just enjoy the fact that we are bright enough and interested enough to chose business schools or find some common ground? </p>
<p>BTW Dunkaroo I wil see you at a Bentley Babson basketball game. should be good fun, you guys are a bigger school and were better last year but it will be close.</p>
<p>To everyone who posted they were unsure of which to chose and haven't posted final decisions, I'd like to know where you chose and hope you chose Babson (js1126). Also Cici hope you can get excited about coming.</p>
<p>considering i dont want to study entrepreneurship, and babson pretty much blows at everything besides entrepreneurship (imagine how bad everything else had to be to bring it down to #29, even when holding a #1 spot in entrepreneurship), it is not at all laughable. dont assume anything about my course of study.</p>
<p>also: according to reports from several students from my school who went to babson (all rejected by maryland and wharton), social life sucks. </p>
<p>true, i chose umd over wharton on cost factors alone. but babson? both - more of the academic. im just not impressed by a one-trick pony.</p>
<p>also...</p>
<p>first of all, to romo1: i really dont care enough about crappy schools like babson to influence your opinion - and i surely dont hold a grudge. im just voicing my opinion. think what you want, it doesnt matter to me. what does matter to me though is when you call my reasoning laughable, especially when its perfectly valid. refer to my above post.</p>
<p>and the reason babson will lose its grip on the entrepreneurship rank is simple. the FME is a great idea, granted, but in no way does just taking that class completely prepare someone for being an entrepreneur. the reason is that entrepreneurship is more about the person rather than the entrepreneurship education. entrepreneurship can be taught, but only to a certain extent - much of it comes from the individual. </p>
<p>the brightest business minds in the country go to wharton. wharton, on a wide scale, nurtures the talents of the best students who will go on to make the biggest contributions to the world of business - i'm speaking on a whole. </p>
<p>wharton graduates ~100 more people than babson each year. how many babson grads have had enormous influence on the business world? compare this number to wharton. wharton clearly educates their students better - not just for finance, not just marketing, but entrepreneurship as well.</p>
<p>the schools with the smartest students have the best long term results. and in terms of business, wharton takes the cake. employers know this, and the trend will soon find its way into the business rankings. within the next 5 years babson will lose its spot.</p>
<p>sure there are exceptional students who choose to go to other schools, and some smart people go to babson on basis of scholarships or something. on a large scale though, across the board - there is no comparison. babson's position in the #1 ranking will be gone soon.</p>
<p>How much money are you seriously willing to put on that? Honestly put your money where your mouth is. Private message me.</p>
<p>haha you think i want to gamble on this. i dont care enough about babson to bet on this ****. haha now THAT is laughable... go ahead and squander your money gambling on predictions. not my cup of tea.</p>
<p>Honeslty, your the biggest dumbass out of all of us. Nobody in their right mind turns down Wharton, no matter how poor you are because you'll be making enough to pay it off in like a year after graduation You keep complimenting Wharton, because its the best, but you turned it down. You honeslty have no position to talk trash about any school because you ****ING turned down wharton. And Babson doesn't end with FME-there comes IME for a year and a half. You have no idea what your talking about. Seriously just leave this forum.</p>
<p>"Nobody in their right mind turns down Wharton"</p>
<p>except for the 200 out of 700 people who are admitted each year. So, 28% of the smartest and most business-skilled high schoolers in the country aren't in their right mind? turning down wharton for a completely free education at the 21st nationally ranked business school and 3 honors programs is completely legitimate in my opinion. you are entitled to have your own.</p>
<p>i admit wharton gives the best undergraduate business education, but my reasons for turning it down are valid. </p>
<p>remember what i said - business is more about the individual. im smart enough to go to UMD, graduate extremely high in my class, get a great job, and make just as much money as i would out of wharton and get equal grad school placement to boot. i dont need to pay an extra 180k over the 4 years, even if i can afford it. its just an unnecessary expense.</p>
<p>and im completely entitled to talk trash about babson. anyone is. bash UMD all you want. </p>
<p>i admit it i had no idea what IME was, but my original reasoning still holds true. business is more about the person. it doesnt matter how many of these "hands-on" programs babson has - a good education can't make an otherwise clueless person into a great businessman, just as a lower-ranked education will not make a brilliant businessman stupid.</p>
<p>So then why are you studying business. Your claims have no support. You can't learn how to do accounting things such as a income statements from just knowing it. That is why people study. UMD does not have the recruiting babson does. You have to stand out much more at UMD then you would have to do at babson. Babson also has a strong International Business deparatment also. You don't have the right to bash on any school. Im sure out of the 200 kids that got into wharton many of them don't want to study business or go into yale princeton harvard mit or stanford.</p>
<p>I will add to the heated debate. I have chosen to attend Penn State University Park's Smeal School of Business. Why? because it has a fantastic business program and social life. Pretty soon Babson will not be the top ranked small private business school because Bentley will surpass it. Even if it is the top ranked small business school that is not something to brag about because there are 28 other schools and most of them are very large that are better then Babson for the only thing that Babson does - business.</p>
<p>Pretty soon Wharton will hunt down the hunted ( in this case Babson for entrepreneurship). Think of Wharton as being the King of the Sea and it controls every aspect of it. Then think of Babson as being this little chump controlling this one area (we'll call it entrepreneurship) and it's been doing this for years on end. Wharton will hunt down Babson at the top.</p>
<p>Bentley's academic programs are far more technological advanced then Babson's. It is a no brainer why Bentley was named one of the 12 hot schools for 2004 and Babson is still unheard of besides entrepreneurship. Why did Bentkey beat Babson in the Most Connected Survey's List? Well maybe because Bentley is superior technologically</p>
<p>For the one who said that Bentley has a highway running through it, bigger class sizes and a less intelligent/international student body rethink to yourself for a second gee isn't their a similarity between those characteristics that supposedly make Bentley bad and the schools that are ranked very high for business (much better then Babson). Oh yeah I forgot they are mostly all state schools...right so bigger classes are definetely bad and a less international and intelligent student body will make it worst? Of course....</p>
<p>Well I can say that Babson is a small, spirit lacking complex of buildings where students do non-stop workand as a result you'll have no social life. Give it some time Romo and I'm sure that hard work will be even funner when you get to college because of course you'll be so much more prepared then anyone else right... This hardwork is so similar to the type of work you'll be doing in the realworld so why not get some practice at it when your young right. Last time I checked wasn't college supposed to be challenging AND FUN (the latter will be something you won't experience very often and the reminders will become more annoying)??</p>
<p>I'm sorry but Babson lacks the characteristics to push itself to the top.</p>
<p>Hollaratmecollege you can Private Message me and we can do all the arguing you ever wanted to do about the topic.</p>
<p>the FME and IME is an even bigger waste. Sure you get the hands on experience of actually working together and running a real business. If you really want to make it big in the business world you need to think BIG. You don't think of some lame idea like selling games or other little nonsense items and expect it to work. This is one key aspect where Babson fails. In order to train the the entrepreneur you need to teach the concept and ideas as well as use the most reality focused examples that can be used. People are inventing things left and right and pretty soon all these little ideas will be covered. To train the future entrepreneur Babson needs to teach how to start and run the business with a business that actually has potential. Until it can do that Babson's FME and IME will bring ideas and concepts but will fail in the real world applications</p>
<p>wow hollaratmecollege, you have possibly set the record for the most inane and baseless of posts with that garbage. its mostly a deteriorating mess of whining, but ill try to make sense of it to show you just how retarded you really are. </p>
<p>"So then why are you studying business. Your claims have no support."
i backed up my claims with statistics and opinions from other babson students. you are wrong. i think you're misinterpreting what i said... i never said education DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL. i said if a person is a naturally terrible businessman, a good education WILL NOT DO ****. thats why someone like me, a really smart person, can go to a good state school like UMD and still do well. and its why someone like you, an idiot, can go to babson (a semi-decent school) or some other overrated institution and still fail miserably.</p>
<p>i am studying business because i want to go into business. i dont need wharton's overpriced education to do well in the business world. im smart enough to do it out of a state school. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.</p>
<p>"Im sure out of the 200 kids that got into wharton many of them don't want to study business or go into yale princeton harvard mit or stanford."
yeah, im sure tons of people that got into wharton HAD NO INTEREST IN STUDYING BUSINESS. sure some of them went to HYP. they weren't not interested in business though. </p>
<p>"you dont have the right to bash on any school"
once again... anyone is entitled to an opinion. deal with it.</p>
<p>what sort of **** are you talking? do you realize how stupid you're making yourself look?</p>
<p>"It is a no brainer why Bentley was named one of the 12 hot schools for 2004 and Babson is still unheard of besides entrepreneurship"</p>
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<li>what is bentley "heared" of besides being a "hottest school"? nothing! all that says is that it has potential to do well and is worth another glance, something that babson already has accomplished. dont compare babson to bentley, the scales tip too much babson's way! oh and btw its a shame when one of bentley's own choses babson over bentley. (refer to oranglights's comments)</li>
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