<p>anyone know the cross-admit rate for Princeton and Yale.</p>
<p>I don't know where you would find such information (if it's available!), but I doubt it's higher than 20%.</p>
<p>what percent of admitted cross admits choose Princeton over Yale</p>
<p>significantly less than 50%</p>
<p>Yes, I too, vouch for following Bulldog without any shred of proof.</p>
<p>Not like his history shows any leaning towards Yale or such...</p>
<p>Try this:
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As to the contest between their two schools, they actually seemed to agree that it was about a draw, with each school doing better with certain types of students. Princeton tended to win the battle with Yale when it came to students who leaned toward the hard sciences and engineering. Yale tended to take more of those interested in the arts and literature. There were many exceptions but that was the general tendency.
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<p>Another major factor to keep in mind is that Princeton has an ED program, where the most enthusiastic Princeton students are taken. Thus, when you're talking about cross-admit battles, keep in mind that this population is never included, misrepresenting Princeton overall.</p>
<p>that F-n sucks. I was torn between the two schools, and now to find out that its basically a tie between the schools is just perpetuating this nagging draw in my mind.</p>
<p>Hopefully you've visisted both campuses as that's one way to make sure you make an informed decision.</p>
<p>If not though, here's a few points that could tilt the scale. It's downright shameless Yale promotion, but it's true:</p>
<p>Yale has:</p>
<ul>
<li>An awesome residential college system that is being rightfully imitated</li>
<li>a lower acceptance rate</li>
<li>a higher yield rate</li>
<li>Higher mean SAT's</li>
<li>A bigger endowment (size matters?)</li>
<li>A bigger library system</li>
<li>A bigger college town</li>
<li>An alum in the oval office since you were born</li>
<li>Hu Jintao chose Yale over any other US university for his first visit; made Yale the first university in the world which can invest in China's stock market.</li>
<li>A bulldog, which can eat a tiger any day.</li>
</ul>
<p>See this thread. According to the fount of all HYP wisdom (i.e. Byerly), Yale wins the cross-admit battle.</p>
<p>Though I haven't read the Chosen (just the discussions here), it was my impression that, from the data presented, yale had for many years won the cross admit battle with Princeton, though the edge has decreased of late - that is until Yale pulled an admissions coup by switching to SCEA. The surge in Yale apps as well as Princeton's lingering on ED has probably retilted the tables in favor of Yale. The other factor that might currently weigh in is that Princeton's admissions has given up trying to admit the Princeton type, which was pretty much Haragdon cop out for trying to compete with Yale and Harvard for the best students. According to the current Dean of Admissions, she is going for the best now and is taking a hit from what I gather in dailyprincetonian articles. </p>
<p>But I have no idea why if its 60/40 or 50/50 Yale/Princeton should matter. You should attend the one which you feel you would be happiest at, and would thrive the most.</p>
<p>"* An alum in the oval office since you were born"</p>
<p>Yale has had a candidate for the white house in every Presidential election since 1972, and has produced three of the past four Presidents. In 2000, it had three out of the four (Lieberman, Bush and Cheney).</p>
<p>More students choose Yale over Princeton.</p>
<p>Harvard is a fine school, so are Yale and Princeton.</p>
<p>But for cross-admits, more students choose H over Y, H over P and Y over P. That's the fact. That's why we call "HYP" not "YHP" nor "PHY". :)</p>
<p>more likely, we call them HYP because that is the order of their founding. if you read "the chosen" by jerome karabel, you'll learn that cross-admit rates between the three have fluctuated a lot in the last century. harvard "pulled away" in this regard rather recently. its current edge over YP is clear and acknowledged, but i have never seen any numbers for Y vs. P except hints that the former's edge over the latter is very narrow, if one exists at all.</p>
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<p>The three universities, when named together, are almost invariably named in the order Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. This could reflect their relative agetheir founding dates being 1636, 1701, and 1746, respectively[16]which in turn is an important point of institutional pride, since it governs the order in which the institutions march in academic processions.</p>
<p>Harvard is also the largest of the three by most measures, Yale second, and Princeton third, and other characteristics related to size have the same rank order.</p>
<p>It has been also been suggested that the name ordering is related to a famous school rivalry between Harvard and Yale, although a more prosaic explanation is simply that the original 1880s journalistic initialism was coined that way because this ordering is one that actually results in an initialism that is also an acronym, HYP, and it simply stuck.</p>
<p>I actually always said "Harvard, Princeton, and Yale," even though I'm going to go to Yale. But that's because I'm an English major and I know it's more rhythmic. </p>
<p>Plus that makes "Yale" the last syllable and it stands alone. ^_^</p>
<p>Yale has won the cross-admit battle with Princeton recently, both judging by such weak indicators such as acceptance rate, numbers of applications, and yield, as well as the revealed preference rankings.</p>
<p>Usually cross-admit numbers are state secrets, with fuzzy hints only leaked by those who find the data comforting.</p>
<p>An exception came in 1985, when a Princeton report leaked stating that of 229 cross-admits, Yale took 135 and Princeton 94.</p>
<p>Then, in 2000, the Yale Herald reported as follows, citing YAM:</p>
<p>"As the YAM reported, Yale has recently "begun to lose more Stanford common admits than it wins." In the past, Harvard has typically won most students admitted to both Yale and Harvard, but Yale has historically won common admit battles with other colleges like Princeton and MIT. As Shaw told the magazine, "the dot-com world is a big part of the draw for Stanford."</p>
<p>SEE ALSO: <a href="http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/00_11/admissions.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/00_11/admissions.html</a></p>
<p>I hate to mention a repeated point, but do keep in mind that Princeton ED applicants (who number 599) are not in that pool, whereas Yale SCEA students still can be. Since you don't have the students most interested in Princeton (that end up forming 49% of the class) in any cross admit surveys, be aware that there's more behind those numbers.</p>
<p>Those are very old numbers, compiled long before Yale became the most selective school in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>SEE: UsNews, 2006.</p>
<p>And the Princeton cross-admit numbers have varied little with the maneuvering in and out of binding ED. In 2000, for example, Stanford and Yale also had binding ED. In 1985, for historic comparison, none of the elites had binding ED, and yet the Harvard/.Princeton cross admit percentages were virtually identical to those we see today, and Yale enjoyed a substantial edge over Princeton.</p>
<p>When Stanford, Yale and Princeton all went to binding ED in 1996, a major reason was that they were getting killed in cross-admits by Harvard, and were looking for some way to limit the overlap pool. The maneuver worked to a limited extent, since applicants in their early pools were forbiddent to apply to Harvard concurrently, and forced to enroll if admitted. At each of these three schools,the yield rate got an immediate 5-6% boost. But the cross-admit percentages weren't affected at all.</p>
<p>As Princeton made the move a couple of years ago to compete more directly with HYS for top students, its overall yield rate dropped substantially, its RD yield rate dropped even further, and its cross-admit fraction likewise declined.</p>
<p>NYCFan, shouldn't you be on the Harvard board rescuing the chicklit girl you lionized as Harvard's most recent claim to fame.</p>