<p>yup, AP saves a ****load of money.
I came in with 6-7 credits and am graduating a semester early, saving nearly 25K.</p>
<p>I am going to wharton, but i don't really know what my concentration is going to be. I was just wondering if my AP's would exempt me from some courses so I can dual with a fine arts degree.
So essentially 001, 002 and 10 are exempt for me? If I'm going to take AP stats this year, would i be exempt from Stat 111 or Stat 101? (It says 111 on the website)</p>
<p>Also what do you mean by 4 credits of language. I know some language courses are in a series of 4 semesters, but others are just individual selections. Does that mean I have to take four individual courses in order to get language proficiency unless i take an AP or placement exam?</p>
<p>again thanks tickytock14 and mattwonder!</p>
<p>I always had some questions, and I landed on this board. It's very nice of you guys to help out. Cheers!</p>
<p>My concern is similar to Pexbo's except that I'm in the College. I've gotten fives on calc bc, micro and macro. I am considering a possibility about getting a dual degree with wharton. I know they require math 104, econ 001 and 002 as prerequisites. However, if I use my AP's, do I have a waver and already fulfill these prerequisites? Will I be forced to take Math 114 ( i don't really mind if i do), or can I not take math at all?
The website for dual degree claims that you need at least a 2.0 in your required classes. But if I use my AP's and don't take any of the required (I'm assuming 104, 001 and 002) courses, will this minimum 2.0 mean anything or will it be ignored since it won't apply? For example, do I have to get that grade for Math 114 and some other econ classes?</p>
<p>Wharton AP policy, among other stuff: <a href="http://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/forms/handbook_2008.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/forms/handbook_2008.pdf</a></p>
<p>Wharton students take Econ 010 instead of Econ 001 AND 002 (which is what Wharton students USED to take). So yes, your AP Micro AND Macro will get you out of 010. (see the handbook)</p>
<p>Wharton students have to take both Stat 101 and 102. AP credit translates into Stat 111 (the college version), which can then be used for stat 101 credit after passing stat 102. (see the handbook again)</p>
<p>Wharton requires language proficiency to graduate. This usually means 4 classes' worth. Again, see the handbook for more specifics. It means you do have to take 4 classes of a foreign language if you do not have AP, SAT II or placement exam scores. Note that it's possible to get partial placement - an SAT II score of less than 650 could still get you into the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th class. The needing-to-take 4 classes thing really only applies to someone who took no language in HS or wants to take a new language to fill proficiency.</p>
<p>Bretless, see here: The</a> Wharton School - Undergraduate Division</p>
<p>You don't have to worry about retaking those classes. They'll use your GPA from your other courses as consideration for the transfer. You don't have to take Math 114 or other econ courses to be considered. Note that you still might need upper level math or econ courses for whatever your college major is.</p>
<p>how about AP Psychology for those who don't plan to major/minor in Psychology?</p>
<p>So if you came in with the maximum of 10 c.u.s exempted by AP scores, can you graduate early (around 3 years, assuming you dont fall behind)?</p>
<p>mattwonder can you elaborate on the 4 courses AP Spanish would save you on?
I thought it was just 1 class (1 semester)to fulfill the foreign language req.</p>
<p>Also, is there anyway to ask Penn to accept SAT 2 Chinese?
Korean or Japanese was listed in the handbook but not Chinese, and a 760 is higher than the minimum requirements for the SAT spanish.</p>
<p>This thread is AMAZING.</p>
<p>Does AP Psych credit get you out of any distribution requirements? Or would it be in the same sector as the APUSH credit?
The website says Psych 001 waiver, but I'm not really sure what that means...</p>
<p>a waiver gives you permission to take classes that have the waived class as a requirement; it does not give credit for the waived class.</p>
<p>I don't know of anywhere where AP Psych would help you. The only thing I can think of is if you were a BBB major - Biological</a> Basis of Behavior Program - where it means you could take a random psych class instead of 001 for the major (and possibly find a psych elective that counts toward some other major/minor). Psych 001 hits the Living World distribution requirement, but I'm not sure if a waiver (like AP provides) works for that.</p>
<p>To graduate from the College, Wharton, or Nursing, you need foreign language proficiency. This is achieved with 4 classes' depth at Penn, or through exemption due to an exam. I've posted links earlier to what the specific scores needed for each language and exam are. I don't think you could persuade them to give credit for insufficient scores, but you can usually still take a placement test. Different languages have different scores because different languages' SAT II tests have different distributions (ie, an 800 in one language may only be 90th percentile but it may be 98th percentile in another).</p>
<p>You can definitely get more than 10 cu's of credit coming in (I did), because things like languages, physics, and (formerly) computer science can get you multiple credits. Anyone can graduate early if they complete the degree. Wharton, for example, requires 37 credits. If you took 6 or more classes each semester, you could do that in 3 years, if you timed it well. Someone in the college (only 32 cus req'd, IIRC) who had 10 ap credits would have no problem at all graduating early. The trick with AP credit and early graduation is finding places for the credit to count, as you'll quickly find that credit for 001-level classes doesn't mean much in completing a major.</p>
<p>you're a great help mattwonder, tenebrousfire.
just a further clarification. about waiver vs credit unit. I know a waiver doesn't count towards your graduation c.u. requirement (say 36), but does waivers fulfill the class requirements?
i'm only asking b/c micro, macro and psych are waivers. so i basically get credit for 'taking' ecno 001, 002 and psych 001 and fulfills all the prerequisites for classes and programs, but it just doesn't counter towards the (thirty something credit units for graduation?)</p>
<p>correct: no actual credit awarded, but prerequisites satisfied.</p>
<p>I'll be in engineering next year (right now set for bioengineering, but probably going to transition into CSE). I'm also considering a minor in econ or a double major with Wharton if I make the right GPA. </p>
<p>Taken: Calc BC (5), Chem (5); I took 3 others, but they won't get me credit.
This Year: Stats, Bio, English Lit, Comp Sci AB, Art History, Econ (Micro and Macro)</p>
<p>My question is: Which ones should I take? Right now, I'm considering dropping Art History and English (possibly also Stats). One more question (specifically at Mattwonder since he did/is doing M&T): is a double major with Wharton and SEAS really useful or would it make more sense to get an MBA after graduating with an engineering degree?</p>
<p>I don't think Art History or English will help you at all, so you can drop those. AP Stat won't count for anything for engineering. </p>
<p>Obviously I think the dual wharton/seas degree is worth it :-)</p>
<p>english counts as a free credit that you can use for non-business electives or w/e</p>
<p>...which, to be honest, isn't very useful. All of the electives on your worksheet need to be in certain areas, and i've never known anyone who has trouble finding a "free" elective</p>
<p>okay, looks like I was on the money then. Thanks! And, I guess I should have expected you to say as much about M&T matt lol.</p>
<p>Am I right to say what it is typical to take 5 courses per semester? If you wanted to take 6 does Penn charge more?</p>
<p>About 5.0CU per semester is typical. Tuition is the same regardless of whether you take 4.0 or 7.0CU; your first semester you'll probably be restricted on the amount of credits you can take because they want you to adjust to university life (I think the cap for CAS is 4.5 and SEAS is 5.5?) After first semester though you just need to talk to your adviser and get him/her to raise your credit limit.</p>
<p>If I already earned a 5 on the AP Lang. test, is it worth taking the AP lit test or does having one satisfy an english requirement?</p>