<p>yes? no? is that even possible? O__o</p>
<p>yes, i am being THAT girl. but let's face it, i want columbia so much that i'll try anything (legal) to get there. >.></p>
<p>can it work?</p>
<p>Yes that is definitely possible! You can even take Columbia classes at Barnard. Barnard is an incredible school regardless. And transferring has been done.</p>
<p>I’m applying to Barnard as well. If I go to barnard I will not think transferring as a definite part of my future, however. If I love Barnard I will stay there. If I’m ambivalent, I’ll probably stay there. However, if I truly dislike the barnard atmosphere and want to transfer to Columbia…I may try. I think barnard is very similar to columbia as far as opportunities go however. The only difference is the core curriculum and the fact that you are dorming with all girls. (Although you can dorm at columbia after your first year of attending barnard - if you have columbia friends).</p>
<p>That sounds like a mighty complicated process considering tranfer acceptance rates are really low and you might get stuck at a school you didn’t want to go to in the first place. Barnard is a beautiful school, and a priviledge in itself. If you like it, then apply, but don’t just apply in the hopes that you can transfer, since that’s not a guarantee.</p>
<p>i like barnard, and really the only caveat i have with it are that they don’t have the core curriculum (which i really love) and that it’s all women. but i figure that even if i do get stuck there, more than likely the majority of my classes will be at columbia anyway and it won’t be so bad. barnard is a great school, it’s just not my first choice.</p>
<p>and pokemon3, surely the transfer rate from barnard into columbia can’t be so bad. i mean, who knows, i might like barnard so much that i won’t transfer. but if i do decide to, i don’t think it’ll be impossible.</p>
<p>Absolutely not. It’s hard enough to transfer into the College from most schools; I can’t imagine they’d even look at applications from Barnard when you have the opportunity to take most classes, participate in most student groups, etc. Successful transfers to Columbia are abel to show what Columbia offers that their current school lacks; there’s no way you could possibly show this with Barnard.</p>
<p>Barnard students get a Columbia diploma… why would you want to “transfer” this way? Barnard is just like a subcollege of Columbia.</p>
<p>not really. i mean, yeah, they get a columbia diploma but it’s not from columbia strictly. if you went to barnard you can’t really say you went to columbia</p>
<p>idk, i guess i’m a stickler for the real thing. i don’t want to live columbia through barnard, i want the real thing.</p>
<p>but, who knows, i might really like barnard and just decide that i shouldn’t bother transferring. but i’ll cross that bridge if i get there. i have to get into barnard first.</p>
<p>also, does anyone know if you can take a major offered at columbia through barnard? like, barnard doesn’t have neuroscience, if i get accepted there can i take it at columbia?</p>
<p>It is obviously possible, there was a CC poster some years ago who did it, and IIRC she said she knew some others from her class who did it too.</p>
<p>But I don’t know if it is harder or easier than transferring from some remote, unrelated college.</p>
<p>On the one hand, you’re already garnering part of the benefit of being there, so why do they need to have you actually transfer there, vs. others they can admit?</p>
<p>On the other hand, you will have already taken classes there, if you are deliberately pursuing this strategy hopefully you have aced them, maybe have a Columbia prof. advocating for you, may have intimate knowledge of the differences in the programs in your major, etc. that may help you make a more compelling case. Along with the core.</p>
<p>So I can argue potential relative odds either way, but one thing that’s certain, given their transfer admit rate, is it is poor absolute odds that you would be able to transfer there in any event.</p>
<p>If the OP had a real reason to transfer, like she was interested in majoring in a specific, selective program only offered to Columbia undergrads and she was close to many people in the department, and knew exactly why she had to transfer, then it might be possible. But that is clearly not the case here. OP is just a status-chaser, and has nothing even approaching a compelling reason to transfer to Columbia.</p>
<p>pwoods, harsh, but i suppose its true. but OP, i think you shouldnt go to barnard just to go to columbia youd be unhappy if you didnt go there because you loved BARNARD, especially if you werent accepted as a transfer to columbia. im a girl rejected ED but i did not like barnard for myself (though its a great institution and i respect it greatly). i genuinely do not want to spend four years wishing i went to columbia, which would likely happen if i went to barnard. now isnt a time to make rash decisions. apply to schools you love, not just ones that you think will help you transfer to columbia. sorry that had so many runons but thats my honest opinion.</p>
<p>you can major in something that is only offered at columbia if you attend barnard, and vice versa.</p>
<p>Word of Advice: Don’t apply to schools with the “Once I get in I’ll transfer” mentality. </p>
<p>Instead of doing anything good, it will make you hate the college that you are in, even if in truth it is a great school!</p>
<p>Columbia isn’t the only college on Earth. It isn’t the best either. Indeed Columbia is a great school, but there are so many other great schools. You just need to be open minded and open your eyes.</p>
<p>Personally, I had the “Columbia is a must” mentality. But after my rejection, I actually put some time into researching other schools, and now I’m craving for them (honestly). Sometimes I even regret EDing to Columbia, when I could have EDed to one of them.</p>
<p>Anyways…it’s just my advice. You make your own decision.</p>
<p>Barnard does have a neuroscience major - see [Barnard</a> College Program in Neuroscience & Behavior](<a href=“http://www.barnard.edu/neurosci/the_major.php]Barnard”>http://www.barnard.edu/neurosci/the_major.php) and [Columbia</a> Neuroscience](<a href=“Neuroscience | Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons”>Neuroscience | Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons)</p>
<p>If you would like to do undergraduate research as part of your major, you might prefer the Barnard program. </p>
<p>You should not apply to any undergraduate college with an eye toward transferring later. You will only end up hurting yourself that way. You would be focusing on transfer rather than on maximizing your opportunities at your chosen college. One problem that transfer students often encounter is that they have to take introductory courses specific to their college that are geared to freshmen & sophomores, in order to meet graduation requirements – at a time when they also need to be pursuing more advanced coursework in their major. This is particularly true at Columbia, because of the core. It is doable, of course — but there is an opportunity cost because the transfer student has some catching up to do. </p>
<p>That doesn’t mean that you can’t transfer if you are unhappy with your college – obviously many students do transfer – but the point is that you should focus on finding a college that meets your needs in the first place, to the greatest extent possible. </p>
<p>Students can and do transfer from Barnard to Columbia – there is at least one CC poster who claims to have done so-- but it is probably very rare, as there is not much of a motivation or reason to do so. Again, it’s really a bad idea to choose a college with that idea in mind – even if that is what you want to do, there is no guarantee that you will be accepted as a transfer. So in a sense you could be setting yourself up for more disappointment. (And if you do want to transfer to Columbia down the line, then your chances are equally strong from any other highly regarded college).</p>
<p>actually you guys, i do have a valid reason to want to transfer to columbia instead. i like the core curriculum, and while i do know that barnard has their own version, i much prefer columbia’s version. to be honest.</p>
<p>i’m no status chaser. actually, i very much wish columbia was just some some small college in new york, so that it’d be easier to get into. i could care less about status. i just happened to fall in love with a school that has a high one. oops?</p>
<p>but really, i do like barnard. like i said before, my only caveat is that it’s an all women’s school. but i figure that won’t be too much of a problem because i’ll probably end up taking the majority of my classes at columbia anyway.</p>
<p>really, i just want the core curriculum. that’s my sole reason for wanting to transfer. but like i also said, who knows, i might decide that i want barnard’s instead and stay there. i’d be happy there. i could either transfer or stay. but, again, lol, like i said. i’d have to cross that bridge if and when i ever get there.</p>
<p>Why do you want the core? </p>
<p>If you want the content of the core, that can be duplicated at any LAC or university with a liberal arts curriculum – you just take a different set of courses, but there’s nothing obscure about the overall subject matter. </p>
<p>If you want the shared experience with your classmates – well you aren’t really going to get that as a transfer. You’d be a sophomore or junior sitting in classes with mostly freshmen, and probably frustrated with what that does to your ability to schedule the courses in your major. Look at alternative colleges with strong core requirements, like Reed, if that’s your goal. </p>
<p>I do think that you need to be more realistic in your college list and in finding some match schools. I saw where you posted your stats along with your rejection from Columbia ED, and I think that Barnard is probably a reach for you as well. You may be overestimating the admissions boost you could get from certain background factors.</p>
<p>i don’t think it’s fair to say that any school is a reach for me, especially looking at the stats of the average acceptances this year, people that many others would have identified as “reaches”</p>
<p>anyway, yes, i do want that shared experience. the core at columbia is a very desirable factor to me. i haven’t really extensively read up barnard’s core, but it doesn’t seem to be too different. also, i’m not exactly sure yet if i’d go to barnard if i was accepted there. i have some other acceptances to think about and other schools that i’m considering, but i’d still like the option open there. going to new york for me is important for, not only educational reasons but a lot of personal reasons as well. so i’d like the option to be there, hence applying to barnard.</p>
<p>as for the scheduling, even if i managed to transfer, it’s not really that big of a deal…a schedule is a schedule, it can be built up in a multitude of different ways. i’m sure that if i got there i wouldn’t be the only non-freshman taking the class.</p>
<p>Barnard doesn’t have a set of required, specified core courses that everyone has to take. It has distribution requirements, like many liberal arts colleges do. It gives them a fancy name, “Nine ways of Knowing”, but they are just distribution requirements by another name. That is quite different than Columbia’s core curriculum.</p>
<p>My point is that you wouldn’t get the “shared” experience of the core if you transferred in later… you’d get more like a belated, catchup experience, but I don’t think its the same. </p>
<p>You chose to post your stats, and your stats give an indication of which schools might be safeties, matches or reaches. I’m familiar with and have followed Barnard’s admission practices for years, and I think it’s possible but not very likely that you would get accepted. I might be wrong, but the point is that, based on your stats, Barnard is a reach. (People do get accepted into reach colleges, that’s not a reason not to apply – but it’s not a good idea to center one’s college application strategy around reach applications). I’m suggesting that you focus on places you are likely to get accepted to, and if you want a strong core curriculum, then do your research and find colleges that will give you that sort of academic environment. </p>
<p>I think you might be mislead slightly because of postings on this board about Barnard’s less stringent admission policies as compared to Columbia – that doesn’t mean that Barnard is easy to get into. I think that both colleges are extremely selective, but that the difference is that Columbia’s admission is so restrictive that it’s essentially a crap shoot – even exceptionally well qualified applicants will invariably get turned away. Barnard fits within the realm of colleges with more predictable admission patterns – if a student is well qualified, then her chances of acceptance are pretty good there. So while Columbia is a “reach” for everyone – simply because they turn away so many top applicants - Barnard could be a “match” for many students, and a “reach” for others. (Barnard also turns way plenty of top applicants, but not enough to put it in the crazy-competitive category that Columbia and other top Ivies are in.)</p>
<p>If you truly are interested in Barnard, then I’d suggest that you learn more about the school and then come over to the CC Barnard thread to get a better sense of what the school is like. But don’t apply to Barnard because you think that’s your key to getting onto the Columbia campus – it won’t work and a future transfer is highly unlikely.</p>