<p>This is in relation to applications to Harvard-Yale-Princeton a an international student.</p>
<p>Two situations can you please help me understand (treat them as independent scenarios):</p>
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Rejected from all three for 2011 entry.
I then go on a gap-year that year so for the entire 2011 i will be either travelling, working, doing volunteer work and so on, and then applying again in December.
Am i allowed to apply again like this?
Will i be disadvantaged as i'd already applied to a freshman and failed?
Or will the new experiences of working&travelling be an advantage?
Since for that year i won't be at school, can i use the same teachers & school references that i used last time? If not, what can i do? </li>
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<p>2.
Rejected from all three for 2011 entry.
Beginning a bachelor's degree at a university in a different country that runs from March-November. Applying again to the three in December.
Am i eligible at all since i started university and finished one year?
Can i apply as a freshman? Or is this transfer to second-year only?
How much more difficult is this to the scenario 1 to gain entry?
Will my application be able to use my school references from the previous year or must i find a lecturer at the university to help me?</p>
<p>Also, if all of the three have different procedure - treat the colleges separately so i can understand each better.</p>
<p>I know some unis discourage applying as a transfer if you’re accepted but it’s still probably better than taking a gap year. Europe and Asia seem to be kinder to such students but its generally accepted in North America that it’s better to go to a college period. It may be worthwhile to consider what your second choice would be if you did decide to start post-secondary schooling this year though. That said, I don’t know the specific policy for HYP but most top schools are fairly similar policywise.</p>
<p>ANY international student’s chances are extremely slim. A student rejected from all three – regardless of what he does afterwards in order to re-apply are even MORE slim.</p>
<p>Frankly, that student should move on. To wait a year for a one percent (maybe) chance at these schools seems rather foolish— given that the student is probably very qualified to do well at many universities. That’s what I would advise.</p>
<p>Thanks for the replies, but i’m not really interested in knowing that it’s difficult to get in as an international student (although harvard it doesn’t make a difference being international), i’m just curious about the questions i asked and not other things.
So can anyone answer these and not tell me i won’t be able to get in .___.
thanks:)</p>
<p>If you got rejected once, you’ll probably get rejected again… and then what will you do? What colleges did you get into? Note that transferring too will be near impossible. Princeton doesn’t accept transfers and Harvard has only accepted 1 in the past four years or so.</p>
<p>I think you’re mistaken about Harvard college’s admit rate for internationals. The pool is much greater, vying for a smaller number of slots. Regardless, good luck to you</p>
<p>Why is everyone telling me how im going to be rejected and all that.
I know how hard it is to get into those three colleges, clearly i don’t want to keep hearing it.</p>
<p>Please can someone just answer my questions or don’t comment as it’s unneccesary.</p>
<p>And buddy- do realise i am guaranteed into the top university of my state, and i am deferring my offer for my place at a course there to have a gap year and i want to apply for HYP a second time anyway in this year, there is no hurt trying, as there’s no way i will be degreeless.</p>
<p>So the reason of this thread was to find out about those questions as it’d be helpful to know. Thank you</p>
<p>Princeton does not, at this time, accept transfer applications. It does not seem like that policy will likely change anytime in the near future.</p>
<p>Harvard, after two years of NOT accepting transfers, is accepting transfers again this year. According to their website, approximately 10-20 will be admitted for Fall 2010. Not sure if this will continue for Fall of 2011 and beyond. </p>
<p>When you apply to any college after having attended a different college for one year, you can’t apply as a freshman. </p>
<p>When you apply to any college after having attended a different college for one year, you must include professor recommendations and college transcript from the college that you attended. </p>
<p>When you apply to any college after having had attended a different college for one year, your high school record and your SAT/ACT scores still come into play. In other words, if your high school record and your SAT/ACT scores were not strong enough to gain acceptance as a freshman, you will most likely not gain acceptance as a transfer student after completing one year at a different college.</p>
<p>In other words, if you were rejected from HYP right after high school, you will most likely be rejected again after either completing one year at another college OR having completed a GAP year. </p>
<p>A better option may be to go to the college that accepted you and complete your undergraduate degree. Excel there (strong gpa, great professor recommendations, research, get published, powerful GRE scores–or whatever the international equivalent test is) and then try to go to HYP for your graduate program.</p>
<p>Actually the concern i have for getting in is i lack ECs, and i’ll be doing a whole bunch of things next year regardless of applying for HYP or not that will definitely increase that part of my application. i shall see how i go in these SATs this year first.</p>
<p>Beginning new EC’s during your senior year of high school does not impress admission’s departments. It shows a desperate attempt at the last minute to pad a resume and application. </p>
<p>Regarding EC’s—colleges look for students that have maintained an interest and participation in activities over the course of time. In other words, they like to see that someone who was in a club or organization in 9th or 10th has continued participating in that EC throughout the duration of high school and moved up in time to a leadership position.</p>
<p>Examples: </p>
<p>–Student plays JV Soccer in 9th and 10th grade. Moves onto the Varsity soccer team for 11th and 12th grade and becomes a captain of the team.</p>
<p>–Student joins the Key Club in 9th grade and continues in the club 10th-12th grade. In 11th grade, the student leads a community service project.</p>
<p>–Student joins the Math Team in 10th grade. He continues on the Math Team in 11th and 12 grade and helps his team place well in competitions.</p>
<p>Do you understand what I’m trying to say? They want to see commitment and passion over time. They’re not interested to see last minute participation in EC in your last year of high school.</p>
<p>You say you don’t want feedback from people who say you will probably get rejected from all three schools again, but here’s the thing: you can’t apply as a freshman, and since you’re applying as a transfer without having taken ANY classes at your college, you probably will be rejected again.</p>
<p>^no i will be applying a a freshman i just am having a gap year…</p>
<p>nysmile- yes i understand what you are trying to say…
but regardless, i am applying since i want to, the point of the thread was to find answers to the questions which were half-answered in not the most kind of ways… you don’t know me peoples hence unable to judge.</p>
<p>Why don’t you just come to the US and go to a community college. In this hard time, colleges are getting more competive each year. If you come here, go to a cc, do exceptionally well then you should’nt have a problem getting in. To me the gap year won’t really do you much justice for the simply fact that your using the same hs info w/ what ever experience you had(volunteer, work etc.) Plus you will be competing w/ other freshmans who may have better credentials then you.</p>
<p>^ i want to take a gap year though, i’m taking one anyway - it’s definitely something i want to do…</p>
<p>and i’d only go to a few colleges in the US because the uni i am guaranteed to this quite high ranked uni and so it’d be silly to go to a worser school when my one is far cheaper, etc.
.__.</p>
<p>I don’t want to discourage but its going to be hard for you for the simple fact that you will be applying with freshman who may be more qualified then you are. </p>
<p>I don’t understand your last statement. Are you trying to say that cc is worse?</p>
<p>Well i know it’ll be hard but i’ll regret it everyday if i don’t end up applying. I’d much much prefer to be rejected twice then not applying.</p>
<p>And yes i’m saying that… (worse then the university i’m guaranteed too which has similar rankings to some of the top schools in the states like northwestern, etc.)</p>
<p>Definately option 1, as your chance of getting in is much slimmer in case you apply as a transfer student. I think it might increase your odds a lot if you get some national/international awards, participate in some serious research program and/or get a higher SAT score and everything</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, where are you applying from?</p>
<p>^ thanks Empereur! i don’t know about winning any awards though heh but i’ll be doing some other things, and yeah depending on my SAT scores i will study harder and get higher! if i did really well this year for my SATs can i use the same scores next year when i apply again?</p>