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^ haha I'm just tired of arguing about it. Another thing to consider, though: who are the vast majority of high schoolers that go on forums like CC and read articles about "super-applicants" and actually care about the college admissions process? Most of them are Ivy league hopefuls Not all, but most.

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I guess, but I wouldn't underestimate the "vast majority of HSer's" though. Oh well, I think we've reached an understanding.

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<h1>2, yes, I'd say that's about right, and that's my point! If Harvard is so hard academically, they simply can't afford to enroll a kid with a 1750/2400. He/she will flunk out his/her first year! It's to Harvard's advantage to weed out the less academically competitive kids. Anecdote that our college counselor always tells:</h1>

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Oh ok. Well, what I'm saying is I think Harvard would prefer a 2000/2400 SAT applicant with awesome extra curriculars/community servies over a 2400/2400 SAT applicant with hardly any community service. That's what I mean when I say SATs aren't that important... of course they won't be considering someone who bombs the SAT, although I don't see why not, the SAT is a defuncto test IMO. All they created it for was to make extra money IMO.

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there was a girl from my school (3 years ago, I believe) who told my college counselor that she was applying to Princeton. This girl had around an 1800/2400 and a 3.5 GPA. Of course, the counselor was skeptical, but said "sure, go ahead, do what you want....just don't get your hopes up!" The girl kept saying things to my counselor like "Oh....well... I'm pretty sure I'll get in!" Months later, the girl's accepted. Why? Her daddy had recently donated over $5 million to Princeton. One year down the road, the girl flunks out of Princeton. I think she literally failed over half of her classes.

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Well damn...

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ANYway, lol, the point is that top schools will almost never accept kids with not-so-flashy credentials, even with killer ECs, because they have to know that the kid can handle the rigor of their university. URMS, athletes, and $-kids are the exceptions

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2000/2400 would probably be considered a not-so-flashy score, to you at least, yet I think Harvard would consider an applicant with such a score if said applicant ALSO did like... stem cell research and other "exceptional" extra community service on the side. </p>

<p>Also your anecdote made me mad. People shouldn't be able to just "be rich" and get accepted based on that.</p>

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<p>^ I get more mad when people get in because of their skin color. I completely agree with socioeconomic concerns (i.e. giving a kid of East Chicago some slack), but another anecdote:</p>

<p>There's another girl I currently know who goes to my expensive, posh private school.....and is black. Needless to say, she has had absolutely no economic challenges in her lifetime whatsoever. She's had all the SAT prep classes and tutors anyone else has. Yet, she'll get a nod when it comes to decision time because she's African-American. Is that just?</p>

<p>and....in regards to your last point, I have the best article yet! <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/29Rparenting.html?_r=1&scp=6&sq=harvard%20new%20york&st=cse&oref=slogin%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/29Rparenting.html?_r=1&scp=6&sq=harvard&#37;20new%20york&st=cse&oref=slogin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Have fun :) This is what Ivy league admissions is like today.</p>

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^ I get more mad when people get in because of their skin color. I completely agree with socioeconomic concerns (i.e. giving a kid of East Chicago some slack),

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Blacks tend to be poorer, so they fit right in with the "socioeconomic concerns" that you mention, there's only a few exceptions. </p>

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but another anecdote:</p>

<p>There's another girl I currently know who goes to my expensive, posh private school.....and is black. Needless to say, she has had absolutely no economic challenges in her lifetime whatsoever. She's had all the SAT prep classes and tutors anyone else has. Yet, she'll get a nod when it comes to decision time because she's African-American. Is that just?

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"my expensive, posh private school" ahahahha</p>

<p>well, African Americans only get picked IF they are either JUST AS QUALIFIED (or, more qualified) as their white counterpart, so it's not unfair either. </p>

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and....in regards to your last point, I have the best article yet! <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/ny...se&oref=slogin%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/ny...se&oref=slogin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Have fun This is what Ivy league admissions is like today.

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Odd read.. but interesting, and frustrating at the same time. I could have mentioned it earlier, but I've read numerous times that, generally, teens these days are "dumber" than they were 30 years ago, doing less homework than ever before, lower SAT scores, etc. and then you read stuff like this article you linked, and it just sends all these different impressions. I don't know what to think.</p>

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<p>"there's only a few exceptions."
That's a pretty (albeit unintentionally, I'm sure) racist remark! Just because LOTS of black people are poor doesn't mean that there are only "a few" who aren't. I know plenty of rich African-Americans!</p>

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<p>I completely agree with you hookem. That is very frustrating. AA should be solely based on socioeconomic status. After all, the richer you are the higher your SAT scores are going to be (it's pretty much just a fact), regardless of race. It makes so much sense to base it on economic status.</p>

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"there's only a few exceptions."
That's a pretty (albeit unintentionally, I'm sure) racist remark! Just because LOTS of black people are poor doesn't mean that there are only "a few" who aren't. I know plenty of rich African-Americans!

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LMAO</p>

<p>Blacks statistically have proven to be poorer as a group of people. There are more poor blacks than they're are exceptional ones, not a racist remark, a true statement.</p>

<p>Actualy, it's only racist if you are. :)</p>

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<p>right, this article actually gives me hope! (ironically)</p>

<p>my sat's are comparable to theirs, and same with my gpa
the only thing that intimidates me is their ec's, but if you really think about it, compared to the people on cc, they're not that different</p>

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<p>I dunno how "super" these candidates were, only one or two struck me as being exceptional...
I think there are a lot of people on CC with much better stats...</p>