<p>Your right, cagb1016, Penn state offers the 4 yr Arch studies and 5yr Arch B.Arch tracts but if you don’t decide to go to the 5 yr B.Arch, you need to go somewhere else for your M.Arch degree. Dave would need to contact the schools he is interested in going to for his M.Arch and ask them whether they would accept it. I would imagine the less main schools might, but probably not U of Penn.</p>
<p>What college for architectural engineering between Milwaukee School of Enginieering and Missouri University of Science and Technology(formally University of Missouri at Rolla) do you feel is better?</p>
<p>thank you all for your help. I am at penn state not penn, and i do realize that psu does not have an accredited masters program. I talked to my advisor who tells me that the architectural engineering option knocks off a year of school for masters because of the year of studio and other arch courses we take. I am thinking I will stay A.E. and apply to grad school for arch. after. Im looking to stay in the area and apply to accredited programs not too far away…possibly Penn, Catholic U., and any other accredited schools not too far from the Philadelphia area.</p>
<p>khshokey, then you really have the best of both worlds. Students who have their 4 year BS or BA in Arch studies come into a M.Arch the same way. They can pursue a 2 yr instead of a 3 yr program (depending the on the school, I believe Penn’s M.Arch is 3 yrs.) for time already completed in Arch studies. You won’t have to make a decision of what you want to do until after you complete your A.E. degree. Good luck to you!</p>
<p>Hi
I have a bsc in architecure and have practised off and on for 8years.By off on and on i mean i have worked as an architect and also gone into other businesses here and there…but all design oriented .
But i still have the architecural itch and so want to do a masters preferably by distance learning.But looking at all the talk about sustainable architecture, low cabon buildings etc …i am wondering what course to do .</p>
<p>i have seen a good distnace learning masters in architectural engineering and also seen a masters in sustainable building design. My question is what is the best choice looking at the trends and when the industry picks up.</p>
<p>Many of the courses needed to complete the Graduate Program in Sustainability and Environmental Management through Harvard can be done online; might want to look into it.</p>
<p>I am in my first year of college and was curious what the difference between civil and architectural engineer?</p>
<p>I am interested in designing structures/landscapes such as hotels, skyscrapers, homes/neighborhoods, restaurants, etc. But also, I want to help construct it. Also, does anyone know what major that might involove? (hopefully its one of these haha)</p>
<p>Lastly, what is the difference in salary if you many know? (pretty much im interested in starting salary, but any is fine, just let me know how many years experience that is and location)</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Hey Lawson, I’m a Senior Civil Engineering Student. First of all if you major in Civil you will have a broad engineering background which usually covers Structural Engineering, Environmental Engineering, Transportation Engineering, Engineering Hydraulics, and Construction Management. If you do Architectural Engineering you are mainly going to focus on the Engineering Design of Structures. Engineering Design is wayyyyyy different than Architectural Design. </p>
<p>Engineering Design involves heavy calculation of loads using design codes such as AISC (for steel) and ACI (for concrete) in order to pick the right sizes of beams and columns so your building doesn’t fall down.</p>
<p>Architectural Design is more involved with aesthetics, how the building looks. Basically is more of an art than a science.</p>
<p>Since you are a freshman you want to know what you’re getting yourself into. Civil and Architectural Engineering will be 2-3 years of Math and Physics to start and 2-3 years of Engineering Design classes that involve a ton of Math and Physics.</p>
<p>Lastly, about the salary…here in Southern California I have never met an Architectural Engineer so I can’t really comment on that. I’ve heard that Architects start at around 30k-40k. The Civil Engineers that I know have started at around 60k-70k out of college. I know a few who have been out of school for 3-4 years and are making over 100k. Keep in mind, however, you won’t be able to get a job in Civil Engineering or Architectural Engineering after you graduate unless you have passed your state’s EIT exam, which is an 8 hour 180 question exam that you should check out at [NCEES:</a> Home](<a href=“http://www.ncees.org%5DNCEES:”>http://www.ncees.org), and then a few years after you graduate you have to pass the PE exam as well. AND FINALLY if you want to be a Structural Engineer who makes over 100k easily you have to pass the SE exam on top of the EIT and PE.</p>
<p>My best suggestion to you is to join your school’s ASCE chapter and make some friends in there so they can tell you more about all the classes you have to take.</p>
<p>Good luck! If you decide to go through with Civil or Architectural Engineering, the next 4-5 years will be really tough, but once you’re done you will have the biggest feeling of accomplishment possibly in your life!</p>
<p>Thank you so much for taking the time and answering my questions, it helped a lot. It seems pretty tough to get to become one, but the both seem like something I am interested.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>So I am thinking that Architectual engineering is for me, but I wanted to know the difference between that and architectual engineering technology. Not many schools have ArchE, but they do have ArchE technology. If anyone can help that would be great. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>
You can get a job in cive w/o your EIT. PE is not even required for you civil engineering career. However, you won’t get far w/o your license.</p>
<p>To rick</p>
<p>Hi I’ve been reading the posts here and need some advice.</p>
<p>I’m currently in college and trying to decide If I should go into architecture with some civil engineering or go straight into architectural engineering. I love physics and enjoy math but also love building and designing and have wanted to be a architect since I was in grade 1.</p>
<p>I want to go into Architectural Engineering because I wanted more opportunities for work and wanted to diversify myself and I’m also interested in the salary between architecture and architectural engineering and it seems that ArchE pays more but I’m worried what its in more demand. I don’t feel like going to college and spending thousands of money only to find out when I get out of school there’s no one hiring.</p>
<p>Any advice would be appreciated</p>
<p>Alphabain, this is not an easy question to answer because this economy has everybody questioning their career choices. Start by thinking about what you want to do for the next 40 years. If you are attracted to the creative/big picture side of the industry, then architecture is where you are going to find it. However as you noted it can be a very tough place when it comes to job security.</p>
<p>Will architectural engineering have more job security than architecture? Probably, but you are still going to be affected by a major slowdown in building activity. Will you make more money than an architect? Initially yes, but in the long run probably not. I work with quite a few partners in engineering firms and I do not believe they are making more money than I am. I also believe that our senior project managers are making at least as much as their counterparts in engineering firms.</p>
<p>Architectural engineering is not architecture, it is the engineering of architecture. Do not expect much creative input. I give you a drawing showing column locations, you tell me how big they need to be, we argue a while about the size, you draw it up. Personally, if I was considering engineering I would just do an ME degree and go work for a cool industrial company where the engineer is at the top of the food chain. I think it would also offer a bit more job security. My daughter is getting an ME/Product Design degree which seems to incorporate engineering with a problem solving/creative focus. She is graduating in June, so we will see how the job market treats her.</p>
<p>rick</p>
<p>I wish Stanford’s program of ME/product design existed other places since Stanford is so tough to get in. Most every other industrial/product design program are art based with little to no engineering. Hard to figure how you can design a product if you don’t know how it mechanically or electrically works. I look forward to hearing how your daughter fairs.</p>
<p>I just stumbled upon this thread, but I wanted to offer another option. You can get your BArch or MArch undergrad degree; some accredited programs can be 5-year BArch or a 5-year MArch program. Then get a graduate degree in Civil or Structural engineering. You can then be licensed in both disciplines after meeting necessary work requirements preferably at a dual Architecture & Engineering firm.</p>
<p>MArch isn’t an undergrad degree. It is a graduate/professional degree that is done after a four year BA or BS in Architecture or something else.</p>
<p>Not true TSKDbx, some undergrad programs are only accredited for a 5-year program that is a MArch degree like Hampton University in VA. Does not grant a BArch degree at all. They only grant an MArch degree after 171 hours or about 5 1/2 years of study. Therefore you graduate with the MArch degree as an undergrad pre-professional. No BArch degree is accredited so only the MArch degree is granted. While other programs are accredited for the BArch degree solely so after 5-years of study you are granted the BArch degree like Virginia Tech which is right now on the track to also grant only the MArch(pre-professional undergrad) after 5 years of study in lieu of the BArch degree.</p>
<p>Cornell is accredited to grant a BArch degree after 5 years and an MArch after 3 additional years of study. This is not the case at all schools. Another important consideration when choosing schools.
Here’s a link:
[NAAB:</a> Schools Database](<a href=“http://www.naab.org/schools/search.aspx?searchtype=A]NAAB:”>http://www.naab.org/schools/search.aspx?searchtype=A)</p>
<p>HomeSchoolNewbe, I don’t know how practical it is to go for an engineering degree after an Arch one due to years of study needed. Engineering needs more years of courses that are prereqs for the next years courses so it would still take 3-4 years after getting an Arch degree. If you flip it and get the Engineering 1st, then during the M.Arch program and engineer can skip the structures and tectonics courses due to their engineering background and lighten their load. </p>
<p>BTW, I looked into the 5 yr Barch vs 5yr March difference and it came about a number of years ago when the NAAB wanted to phase out the B.arch programs altogether. Some schools began revamping their B.arch programs to make them M.Arch ones and others rejected the notion and refused to. The NAAB then changed and decided no new B.Arch programs could be put in place leaving the ones that already existed alone but other school were already in the process of changing so continued. Those are the one with the 5 to 5 1/2 yr M.Arch programs.</p>
<p>Lakemom, I agree its not practical, but doable. If you are someone who is so motivated.</p>
<p>Back in the dark ages when I was in school, we only had BArch programs that were 5years so its been amazing to see now MArch programs with the same length of study for those of us who had to go back for that degree.</p>
<p>Lakemom, I agree its not practical, but doable. If you are someone who is so motivated.</p>
<p>Back in the dark ages when I was in school, we only had BArch programs that were 5years so its been amazing to see now MArch programs with the same length of study for those of us who had to go back for that degree. I definitely would have chosen a school with the 5year MArch program over the BArch program. Though I have heard there some problems with the MArch degree in that you are not granted a Bachelors degree and that can be a problem if you want to further your education to the PhD level. I can’t speak to it though as all I’ve heard has been hearsay.</p>