<p>Yale, NYU, and Brown will not appear in undergraduate Architecture rankings because these schools do not have BArch programs. They have pre-professional BA programs. NYU has an Urban Design and Architectural Studies BA program that could be done and then apply to a graduate school for a MArch degree. Brown has a BA in Architectural Studies, which again could be a degree to then go on to get a MArch at a graduate school of arch. Yale has more than NYU or Brown for undergraduates, but is still a BA. But Yale has studios in the undergraduate degree program and has more to offer as its undergraduate program is part of a School of Architecture (graduate school, etc.). Still, if you go to Yale for undergrad, and want to become an architect, you still have to go on to grad school for a MArch. So, these three schools are not in undergraduate arch rankings as they are not professional BArch programs. Yale has the strongest offerings of the three, in terms of a BA in Arch pre-professional department. My D is a senior in Arch Studies at Brown if you have any questions. I have a kid at NYU too but not for arch. I have visited Yale's undergrad program in arch as well.</p>
<p>For graduate architecture school, Yale was ranked third by Design Intelligence. Again, Brown and NYU would not be ranked as they do not have MArch programs.</p>
<p>If you go purely by rankings of architecture schools (and Yale's undergraduate program is within the Yale School of Architecture -- its kind of a joint program between the College and the School of Arch), Yale is the #1 ranked program, according to the most recent comprehensive DI-NET ranking. Note there are a few more recent DI-NET rankings, but they are only based on a random survey, not the complete package of data.</p>
<p>It's really foolish to use any listing of architecture (or art) schools as your criterion for choosing where to apply and eventually attend. The top programs in the US will all give you the same degree, the question is in what aspect of the field? With every program having extensive information and student work up on their web pages now, it's a much better choice to do the research yourself, go visit some schools if you can and do what feels right/what interests you. I would hate to end up at a "top ranked" architecture school just to find out that my peers are there for the name over what that school teaches. Think for yourself. That's what grad school is about, right?</p>
<p>posterX- DI actually does undergraduate rankings, so extrapolating undergrad rankings from grad rankings, especially when the school doesn't even have an accredited undergrad program, is silly.</p>
<p>larationalist - the undergraduate DI rankings do not apply to schools that offer other types of degrees than the B Arch - like Yale, NYU, Brown, etc.</p>
<p>The DI rankings has one main criteria - employability. If the program's goal is not to make someone employable but to get them into graduate school the DI rankings are surveying how good of an orange apples are.</p>
<p>My grandmother bought the DI 2007 book thinking it might help me make my decision. It arrived today. I've only skimmed it, but it's a mid-2006 survey that;
"a cross section of US firms with a disbursed geographic profile participated, including firms that are leaders in their market sector.."
The survey;
"tapped firm leaders who, during the past five years, (so, '01-'06?) have had direct experience in the hiring and performance of recent architecture graduates."</p>
<p>There are 17 schools on the top 15 Barch list, although one is no longer accepting Barch admits as it transitions to a March program.</p>
<p>There are 20 schools on the top 20 graduate list.</p>
<p>snipan- I am clear on that, and happen to agree with DI in the assumption that one shouldn't bother to rank the undergrad degrees other than the B.Arch. Why? Because anyone choosing a BA or BS program presumably has priorities other than architecture, and should be choosing an overall university experience rather than an architecture program. If you want to be an architect badly enough to be trying to find program rankings, just do the B.Arch.</p>
<p>....nonetheless, the fact that BA programs aren't ranked or that the survey is professionally does not make extrapolating a fictional ranking any less silly.</p>
<p>Actually, the U of Cincinnati is a B.S. program last I checked, and it is included in the rankings. I guess the coop nature of their program makes them worth including though.</p>
<p>But I do agree with you - the rankings are silly in and of themselves, and extrapolating undergraduate rankings from graduate rankings is even worse.</p>
<p>I looked into the BS in arch. at UofCincinnati last fall, if you maintain a 3.20 gpa you are automatically offered a slot in the 2 yr graduate program. (It's still on their website that way). I assume that would end up as a MarchII degree. Kinda nice to know you can get directly in.</p>
<p>UofC is not on the '07 DI top 15 undergraduate list. As I said earlier that list is only Barch programs. It does however rank near the top of the graduate school list.</p>
<p>UC used to be a B.Arch program though, which is a big part of why they're so well thought of. Their B.Arch was very well respected, and nobody's entirely sure what all has changed or didn't change in their fairly recent move to the 4+2.</p>
<p>Ah, therefore my confusion. In the DI ranking two or three years ago they were still included, but had already made the switch to B.S.</p>
<p>archkid - it would most likely be an M.Arch I degree, as it is your first professional degree. The M.Arch II is for holders of a B.Arch or equivalent.</p>
<p>i'd like to hear your guys opinions on UT architecture and where you think it stands. I just got accepted and i've been looking at the looney rankings, which of course vary incredibly. All of them are different. How respected is UT's Architecture, and where would you rank it?</p>
<p>I second Elsiocool's question. Also what about GTech? I visited about a month ago, and the arch stuff looks okay. How many UT grads get a job in NYC? There's one firm I saw, Lindsay Newman architecture, the principal is from UT undergrad.</p>
<p>We recruit at UT Austin and it is an excellent school, producing some of the best graduates we hire. Competition for the graduates is pretty stiff, and the last three we lost went to SOM, KPF and a Pelli. They seem to have a strong internship program and many of the students get permanent offers from their summer firms. I think you would get a very good education there.</p>
<p>My son applied to architecture programs at 4 colleges/universities. So far he's accepted to New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT, Newark, NJ) and Catholic University of Amerca (CUA, Washington, DC). Got into honors college at both. We are still waiting to hear from Northeastern (in Boston) and Drexel (Philadelphia).</p>
<p>We all like the <em>program</em> at NJIT, but the university itself is not the type of environment he wants to live in. It's too urban, and also mostly a commuter school. He wants a real "college experience".</p>
<p>We all like the <em>program</em> at CUA, and we love the location...a rural-ish setting smack in the middle of DC, which my son LOVES. The drawback there is that he is not catholic, and is concerned about how he personally will be treated on campus. Can't seem to find anything at all online about Jews who attend CUA, but I'm sure there must be <em>some</em>. Any insights?</p>
<p>As for the other two colleges, my son also likes Philadelphia a lot. He's never been to Boston, but from my own experience there, I know he'd love it.</p>
<p>So....I'm looking for some advice and feedback about these four schools in particular. Which would you choose, and why? Which would you avoid, and why?</p>
<p>And it looks like Northeastern and Catholic U. only offer M.Arch degrees as accredited degrees. Be sure to explore whether a BS in architecture or the B.Arch is the right degree program for your future plans.</p>