<p>I was accepted to the Clemson school of Architecture. (I'm in the process of waiting for the Honors college) Any opinions? </p>
<p>I also applied to the University of Virigina's architecture. </p>
<p>If given the choice, Honors Clemson (with a 14000/yr scholarship) or Virginia at full OOS cost?</p>
<p>axw,</p>
<p>There is a CUA forum on this board where you can ask about the Catholic/Jewish thing.
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/catholic-university-america/%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/catholic-university-america/</a>
Or maybe better yet ask questions at CUA.</p>
<p>There were people in the know (some east coast architects and architecture teachers) who gave NJIT a thumbs up to my son a over a year ago but he never seriously investigated. A forum, but another slow one here;
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-jersey-institute-technology/%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-jersey-institute-technology/</a></p>
<p>I think Northeastern's arch program is new, and I recall it has mandatory co-op, (which is probably a good thing-but that shows as a lower 4 years grad rate on the school stats). A more active forum;
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/northeastern-university/%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/northeastern-university/</a></p>
<p>rfwcphs1,</p>
<p>You should be comparing the total COA at UofV vs the COA at Clemson minus the 14K scholarship, * and * look closely at what it will take to * maintain * that scholarship when you look at the money difference. I know several kids older than my son who lost scholarships after the first year for a variety of reasons.</p>
<p>Sorry, I don't know anything about either arch program, but do look closely, and if you can, visit both, sit in on classes and spend several hours in studios.</p>
<p>4trees, thanks for the links!</p>
<p>rfwcphs1 Do you realize that UVA does not have a B.Arch program. THey have a bachelors in architecture but you would need to continue on to get your masters. (they do have an M.arch program)</p>
<p>Clemson has the 4 yr B.A. in Arch as well. We visited both schools and thought they were very comparable. Clemson had the edge with better facilities at the time, but UVA has just completed or is in the final stages of completing a new arch building, so they are sure to have state of the art facilities now. The professor that s talked to at Clemson was very nice and hospitable, but he did not the same response from those he contacted at UVA which turned him off. (It was probably nothing but miscommunication, but to him it mattered). Overall UVA has the better name academically, but the schools are quite different in many ways. UVA's MARCH I and II programs are very well regarded from what we have read. 4trees has a good point about the scholarship money. At least both schools are publics! Good luck to you.</p>
<p>I don't know much about NJIT, except that one of my better profs from Columbia who didn't get tenure is now there.</p>
<p>As I read this and other threads, I often wonder why one would plan on earning a BS or BA in Architecture, fully intending to go on to an M. Arch graduate program, instead of earning the B.Arch professional degree. Especially in this economy. Especially with the cost of a college education today. Why plan on 6-7 years of college when 5 will suffice?</p>
<p>Well in my case, it's because I wanted to be an undergraduate at Harvard. :) But mostly it was ignorance and I wasn't sure I wanted to be an architect. Some might want to get a more liberal arts education.</p>
<p>Harvard is an excellent reason ;) .</p>
<p>And I understand those who earn an undergraduate degree in non-architecture areas. I'm mostly perplexed by posters who are planning from their freshman year to pursue a BS in Architecture immediately followed by an M.Arch. I'm afraid there must be a lot of misunderstanding out there as to what education/work experience is necessary to become a working (licensed) architect.</p>
<p>archiemom,
One advantage of the Masters degree is that it gives you one more feather to teach. Many schools look beyond that for well-known practicioners who are returning to teach , or as a part-time guest faculty. For someone interested in a career in teaching architecture, the Masters will probably be required.</p>
<p>From the ACSA</a> site:</p>
<p>
[quote]
...Paths To The Professional Degree </p>
<p>There are three usual paths to obtaining the professional degree in architecture: </p>
<ol>
<li>Obtaining a Bachelor of Architecture degree; </li>
<li>Obtaining a pre-professional degree plus a professional Master of Architecture degree; the program commonly referred to as the "four-plus-two" route falls in this category; or3. Obtaining a four-year non-architecture degree plus a three- to four-year professional Master of Architecture degree. </li>
</ol>
<p>The majority of students enter architecture through the first two routes; however, an explanation of all three options is merited: </p>
<p>The professional bachelor of architecture degree is often the most expeditious means of obtaining the professional degree required for licensure. This route normally requires a minimum of five years of study followed by a three-year internship. </p>
<p>Although a five-year program provides the quickest route to satisfy the academic requirements for licensure, speed is not necessarily synonymous with what may be best for every individual. Many Bachelor of Architecture programs begin with a concentration of architecture courses in a fairly prescribed manner, although some schools begin with a general course of instruction. Electives tend to be few and exposure to other fields limited. As a result, the approximately 50 percent of entering students who do not complete the program may have difficulty moving into another area without some loss of credit. </p>
<p>Many Bachelor of Architecture programs, however, have devised curriculum structures which allow for quite a bit of flexibility. These programs are broken into yearly components of 2+3, 1+4, 3+2, 4+1, etc. These breaks indicate logical entry and exit points from the various phases of the full five-year program. In most schools the student's work is carefully reviewed before advancement to the next phase. Such points provide a relatively easy means of transfer into an architecture program; transfer to another institution, particularly between degrees; or transfer to another academic discipline. The logical break points may also be used by the faculty to transfer out students who have demonstrated little progress. The early segments of the curriculum mix "pre-professional" design courses with liberal arts and often serve as a common base for several different environmental design disciplines such as architecture, landscape architecture, industrial design, graphic design, etc. </p>
<p>Most professional degree programs also accept transfer students at the designated break points, but transfer credit is usually evaluated on an individual course-by-course and case-by-case basis. While the structure of some programs makes it relatively easy for a professional school to accept transfer students from both junior colleges and other colleges, it is recommended in most instances that a student considering an architecture degree start directly either at the professional school or at a school with a pre-professional program (many "feeder" programs cannot match the academic depth, library and faculty resources, and extracurricular activities of the professional schools). Cost should not be an automatic deterrent, because most schools are able to offer financial aid. Although some students may find it financially necessary to begin their college education at a community or junior college, for students who are sure that architecture is to be their chosen career field, the five-year professional degree programs offer excellent opportunities. Students seeking slightly more flexibility should also examine five-year programs offering logical curriculum decision points. </p>
<p>The pre-professional degree plus professional master's degree is the other predominant route to obtaining a professional architecture degree. This route normally requires six years to complete, followed by a three-year internship. The flexibility in the program is readily apparent. At the end of four years the student has a college degree and may decide to continue in architecture and get the professional master's degree, spend a year or two working for an architect, or change disciplines and pursue study in other design-related fields. Or the graduate may decide at this point to shift careers completely and/or seek an advanced degree outside the design field. </p>
<p>Pre-professional programs are not professionally accredited and vary widely with respect to title, emphasis, electives, requirements, and specific architecture offerings. They are, however, preparatory for advanced architectural or other environmental design fields. The four-year pre-professional program may be subdivided into two phases, usually of two years each. The pre-architecture program may have only basic introductory courses in architecture with the majority of the course work focusing on the arts, humanities, and sciences. The typical program, like the subdivided five-year professional programs, offers a highly flexible program that matches individual levels of achievement by providing a general education in the early years. While this may frustrate many who want to immerse themselves quickly in architecture, it does provide time for experiencing a wider range of subjects, allowing the maturing student a better opportunity to make career choices. Ideally, the extra courses in the humanities and social sciences will give students a broader background from which to start their professional education...
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</p>
<p>kjofkw:
That is so true...my husband has been teaching at a community college in their one and two-year Engineering Technology /Construction Technology degree programs, because they allow adjuncts with a B.Arch to teach the certificate programs. But he has always wished he had a masters so that he could also teach in a four-year degree program.</p>
<p>But for the practicing Architect? I know very very few with a masters degree.</p>
<p>SIT:
Of course, I know all that, but thanks for offering it up for all those prospective archies. I'm mostly hoping to hear from those young students choosing the BA & MArch route as a plan. I guess there's such an emphasis on advanced degrees in all fields that everyone assumes that they have to get one.</p>
<p>archiemom,</p>
<p>During the first two years of hs my son originally wanted the BA+MArch route in order to have a crack at a "traditional" undergrad life experience. The summer of his hs sophomore year an experience of living a few months in Europe with a German family convinced him that he wanted a tech school and a BArch with a quick path to license. That's what he started last fall, except it's a 5yr MArch.</p>
<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>I am actually thinking pursuing Doctor of Architecture (D.Arch.) degree at University of Hawaii- Manoa. It is a program designed for high school graduates (first time freshmen) and undergraduate transfers. The total length of this program is seven years (it varies for transfers). How is the reputation of School of Architecture at University of Hawaii-Manoa?</p>
<p>I applied for transfer admission. Is this program extremely competitive?</p>
<p>Thanks ^^</p>
<p>Hi, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge about this subject. My s wants to study Architecture after completing 2.5 years of Industrial Design and deciding that field wasn’t a good fit. We live in NJ and best choice for financial reasons was NJIT where he was just accepted. We know it’s a good program, but he has serious concerns about social life (he’s been living on his own in Philly for the past 2.5 years). I feel like he is starting all over and the light at the end of the tunnel is quite a distance away. Any suggestions to expedite completion of a degree at an accredited school without going broke? Thanks so much!</p>
<p>Sorry, I’m not that technologically savvy, meant to address my reply to archiemom.</p>
<p>How can my son graduate from the BS in architecture in 3 years?</p>
<p>well, there are some ways. The first is that you can have a lot of general requirement courses eliminated by having a lot of ap credits (probably about 30-35 credits will be plenty). If he has less then he may have to take one additional class per semester. It is really hard to graduate in 3 yrs w/o any ap credits. Additionally, if he wants to graduate in 3 yrs, I would not advise any year or semester abroad. I would stay at the campus. It is possible to graduate in 3 yrs with a BS in architecture, but you need to be very dedicated. </p>
<p>good luck!</p>