Are Indians a minority?

<p>I do not see any end to the AA system for another 50 years. No one in the Govt cares.</p>

<p>No one is getting angry that there are many Indians in medicine. The point of AA is not to enact revenge on us Indian-Americans because we all are doctors haha. The point is to give other people who are not privileged with the same opportunities as us to have a shot at it too. As for no one in the govt caring, I can assure you there are people who are against AA just as there are people in favor of it. AA has been scaled back tremendously in the past few decades much more so in the public domain than it has in the private domain. (Example: End of affirmative action at the UC system after 1978 court ruling.)</p>

<p>I agree with you that there are cultural differences in how Americans view education vs. how Asians view education. Its a fact. This is why education policy is such a huge deal in this country and there have been so many reforms put in place (some more effective than others) to increase teacher quality, try to boost community/parental involvement in education, etc. </p>

<p>That being said, a lot of what you said is absolutely wrong. That’s great that your relatives tell you about rags to riches stories in India. lol but really? I have relatives who live in India. I have worked directly involved in a charity in India that helps kids from poor backgrounds get scholarships, support, etc for their education. Believe me. The poorest kids do not score the highest. Economic mobility in India is nowhere near as high in the United States. </p>

<p>Rags to riches stories in India of people working hard through education have thankfully become much more common in India (statistically – not just anecdotally) in recent years, but it is still nowhere near what it is in the United States. Also, American workers have the highest worker productivity in the world haha so don’t tell me Americans as a whole are lazy. We’re not the economic powerhouse of the world because we’re full of lazy bums. I’m not saying Indians don’t work hard, but the group of Indians that migrate to the United States are a very VERY self selecting group of individuals. (For example, a recent survey showed that approx 50% of AIIMS (best med school in India) graduates over the last 40-50 years have immigrated to the US). So really, for the most part, its only the best of the best Indians that make it to the US.</p>

<p>There are plenty of people who have worked hard and made it big in the United States. In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s one of the United States’ distinctive appeals. And really? The Hispanic population is abusing the AA system? Because Mexican laborers in the southwest live the good and easy life yes?</p>

<p>Anyways, its not like AA is SO skewed that lazy African-Americans or Hispanic people are getting into top schools and jobs. They have to work REALLY hard too. AA just makes sure that there is diversity and opportunities for those people. A Hispanic person can’t “abuse the crap” out of AA, be lazy, and get into med school. That’s not how it works.</p>

<p>Anyways, refer to all my and other posters’ points about why AA is a good thing above.</p>

<p>In conclusion though, I truly hope you don’t actually believe that Indians are fourth class citizens in this country. As an Indian-American I’m not bitter with my place in this country. One of the great things I think about the United States is an immigrant’s ability to rise so high so quickly. There’s a reason why immigrants come to the US and not elsewhere. Many other countries have closed borders, restrictive citizenship laws, more and sometimes overt racism, or other impediments for even the hardest working of immigrants. I’m not saying the US is perfect, butttt we do have it pretty good.</p>

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did I just read this right? Did you really just say that Intellectual professions are to Asians as Professional Athletics are to Blacks? That we should just accept these ‘niches’?</p>

<p>That is the EXACT borderline racist attitude that AA is attempting to remedy. Yes it’s not perfect, and it clearly has a long way to go, but it is trying to solve a problem. A system based on economics is not feasible. Wealthier citizens would never allow it to happen.</p>

<p>Also, of course Indians work hard in this country, but Blacks and Hispanics do to. Please stop making these gross generalizations.</p>

<p>no one gets mad that asian americans go into medicine, this was strictly a discussion about whether or not indians are an URM, which they are not, especially in these programs. that is a fact.</p>

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<p>There is no “affirmative action” box to check off on applications. People check off their race just like you and I check off our race on applications. </p>

<p>Poorer segments of society perform worse on tests in all countries. There will always be “rags to riches” stories but those are anecdotes. That applies to India just like it applies here. </p>

<p>Studying for 14 hours a day is not the only way people “work hard.” Working multiple jobs, taking care of siblings, raising oneself in a single parent (or no parent) home are some of the ways people work to get through life. You are a billboard for AA and why we need more African Americans and Hispanics in our schools. Your ignorance and arrogance is quite astounding, although I’m not really surprised from reading some of your other posts. Let’s hope med school teaches you more than just diseases and treatments.</p>

<p>You are entitled to your own opinions and I am entitled to my own. It is just a discussion. We do not make laws and enact them. No one really cares what we say in cc board. Stop criticizing people by calling them arrogant and ignorant. Try not to act like a smart ass in cc forum. Take a chill pill.</p>

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<p>Considering we are in a medical board, I love the pun :)</p>