<p>To put it in perspective, Princeton has 2020 employer contacts, it reflects the total number of employers who either contacted or visited the campus to recruit. Yes, 186 is a lot, but 2020 is a lot more.</p>
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<p>I got the number from Princeton’s survey. I don’t know Rutgers’, I don’t think it is disclosed in their report. But annasdad pulled up an article to make a point about Rutgers - 186 employers showed up at a job fair. No, you can’t make a direct comparison.</p>
<p>My kid interviewed on campus for her job. I also recruited from her school. The Ivies have a fairly strict rule on how recruiters/students are suppose to behave. I had to sign an agreement with her school about not pressuring students to take a job, it has a clause as to how long employers have to give applicants to make a decision, when we are allowed to invited them off campus. Students are not allowed to accept multiple offers, need to show up for interviews, can’t go off campus for interviews before a certain date. Violation of any of those clauses would prevent you from using their career services in the future - employers and students.</p>
<p>“Companies like Bain recruit from Princeton but do not recruit from Rutgers.”</p>
<p>Yeah, and some of us are just not that impressed by that fact. It has already been made abundantly clear that the Ivies make great sense for those who want to work on Wall Street after graduation. Thankfully, not everyone does.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why this has to get into such a big debate. The issue ideally needs to be about what is the best fit for an individual student. Some people will thrive in an ivy/high level LAC type of environment - not because of the prestige, but because of being around like-minded, intellectually curious students and taking classes that are fast-paced and challenging. Yes, they will carry a “prestigious” name with them after graduation, but they also have to work harder in college to succeed than they might at a mid-level school. </p>
<p>As I mentioned in a previous post, truly gifted students may feel lost at a mid-level school, because they will have to search much harder to find like-minded students, will have to wade through boring classes until they get to the more advanced ones that might be more stimulating, and may feel like they are back in high school all over again. The ivies offer an environment that is suited to gifted kids, and they provide great financial aid. They are not perfect. But for many families, it can cost less to send a child to an ivy than to the local state university. There is something to be said for that.</p>
<p>@oldfort, many finance firms recruit aggressively at Ivy League schools–I’d say their behavior is borderline unethical (but then, why should that surprise anyone? so is the behavior of much of the industry). I posted a link to an article by a Yale student who turned over this particular rock (I believe it was post #77). Maybe Princeton is more stringent on ethics than Yale is.</p>
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<p>My kid didn’t go to Princeton. The agreement is given out by all Ivies. Some schools police it more than others. When D1 was interviewing. A perspective employer invited her and a handful of students to NYC for their super day (all day meet and greet, wine and dine at night), it was a week too early. D1 received a very stern email from the career center to warn her against going, and that firm also got a warning. The event was cancelled.</p>
<p>“But for many families, it can cost less to send a child to an ivy than to the local state university”</p>
<p>I highly doubt that. A guy that lived on my dorm floor had a perfect ACT score and was admitted to MIT and Yale, but opted to attend our state flagship. He didn’t pay a dime to attend.</p>
<p>MiT isn’t an Ivy and it depends on how much that guy’s family made.</p>
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<p>The evidence does not support that.</p>
<p>A study of course examination rigor at 40 research universities differing in undergraduate student body selectivity found Selectivity had no significant relationship with the percentage of examination questions asked at the higher-order levels of comprehension, application, or critical thinking levels. … To the extent that rigor in course examinations reflects similar rigor in the instruction received (an association that cannot be determined from the study), it may be that undergraduate selectivity alone is simply not a particularly effective way of identifying universities that have demanding academic programs. (P&T 79-80]</p>
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<p>The students at flagship state universities are hardly driveling idiots.</p>
<p>"MiT isn’t an Ivy and it depends on how much that guy’s family made. "</p>
<p>His parents are upper middle class. Due to his test scores and high school class rank, he went free to our state school,</p>
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<p>For some families it’s certainly true. It depends on (a) the Ivy, (b) the state, and (c) the family’s income level. A family in Illinois, for example, with $60,000 in income and no major assets is looking at $20,000 plus for any of the U of I campuses (after need-based aid, and the school has negligible merit aid to give out). The same family could send their kid to Harvard for little or nothing.</p>
<p>I know such a student. I don’t know the details of his family’s finances - I’m going to guess they’re over $60,000, but not by much, since his dad drives a truck and his mom works for the post office - but his mom told me it is costing them a lot less to send him to Harvard than it would have to send him to UIUC.</p>
<p>Whether this applies to “many” families depends on your definition of “many,” I suppose.</p>
<p>My friend scored a perfect 1600 on the old SAT and a 36 on the ACT, was valedictorian of his high school in a very nice Chicago suburb, and he didn’t pay a dime to attend UIUC. And after his stipend to be a teaching assistant (yes, he was that smart), he was actually making money.</p>
<p>His parents are upper middle class. Due to his test scores and high school class rank, he went free to our state school, </p>
<p>If he had, had parents that were making less than ~60k he could have gone to many of the top schools for free</p>
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<p>We’re talking about today, not 10 or more years ago. Ten years ago, U if I had money. Today it doesn’t.</p>
<p>Son of a friend of mine had stratospheric stats, was accepted at UIUC - no money. Got full tuition at Texas A&M. </p>
<p>The UIUC web pages list scholarships. For LAS, for example, the highest scholarship amount is $2,500. [U</a> of I Admissions: Scholarships for the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences](<a href=“http://admissions.illinois.edu/cost/scholarships_LAS.html]U”>http://admissions.illinois.edu/cost/scholarships_LAS.html) For engineering, somewhat better, but a limited number available <a href=“https://wiki.engr.illinois.edu/display/ugadvise/Scholarships[/url]”>https://wiki.engr.illinois.edu/display/ugadvise/Scholarships</a>.</p>
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<p>Look on the U of I message board on this site. A person posting today had the same numbers as my friend, and he is a current student and he is paying nothing to attend UIUC.</p>
<p>^^annasdad, I don’t see the point of arguing about this. A number of state flagships offer free tuition to highly qualified students (University of Alabama and University of Vermont, to name just two).</p>
<p>^ UVM merit aid outside of a couple full scholarships is horrible</p>