Argument with parents about Teach For America

<p>I would agree that for a recent college grad- TFA is much more transparent regarding what sort of activities you will be pursuing for the next two years.
Not to say that it is * completely* transparent, just more than the Peace Corps.
TFA recruits will be working in a district & in a school that they choose ( when they are hired), but Africa is a big place , :wink: & your skills may only loosely fit your assignment, according to those I know who have been recently placed.</p>

<p>But while TFA recruits will have a education degree at the end of it, they also will be doing that at the same time as working full time, in a job that while I agree that they are bright- but it still has quite a learning curve even for those coming out of education programs.</p>

<p>I think they are both worthwhile, but the Peace Corp volunteers may be more readily accepted into their community than the TFAā€™ers.</p>

<p>My daughter joined TFA after graduating from Yale, then taught an additional year. She will be working full-time for TFA when this school years ends. A few random thoughts in response to your (OP) post and the thread. </p>

<p>Administrators donā€™t have to hire TFA teachers. They choose to, and so there is a certain amount of buy-in on the part of a principal, although there may not be on the part of teachers or assistant administrators. At my daughterā€™s charter school, almost everyone on staff was in TFA after college and chose to stay in teaching. The culture of the school is influenced by TFA. Her school is widely considered one of the top charterā€™s in the city. My daughterā€™s partner teacher has been teaching for a number of years now and started out in TFA; there are TFA teachers who stay in teaching. My point is that there are schools that love TFA and deliberately seek out TFA teachers, particularly schools that are data-driven. In those schools, there is no clash of values, etc.</p>

<p>We can debate if TFA teachers are effective until the cows come home. My guess is that some are going to be more effective than others, which is true of all teachers. After all, all teachers start out as first-year teachers. I know that every year my daughter has taught, her kids have improved considerably on benchmark and standardized tests. Her first year she taught for the Los Angeles Unified School District and while her principal deliberately chose a TFA corp member, her fellow teachers gave her a hard time. They warned her that she better not bring down the scores they had worked so hard to raise. Her kids exceeded the schoolā€™s scores as well as the stateā€™s. (She was laid off along with all the other new teachers in our district which is how she ended up at a charter school.) Many of the kids in her remedial class (7th grade) had never read a chapter book in their lives. By the end of the year, those same kids were reading one book after another. They caught the reading bug. Even if you donā€™t believe in test scores, itā€™s hard to deny that when kids who boldly asserted that they ā€œhateā€ reading turns into real readers, something positive and life-changing has happened. </p>

<p>So, setting aside the whole issue of the efficacy of TFA teachers, Iā€™ll move on, since Iā€™m fairly certain thatā€™s not what your parents are worried about. Iā€™d suggest you go to the TFA website and have your parents look at the ā€œAfter the Corpsā€ section. Here is what I know from the young people Iā€™ve known, the ones who did not stay in teaching long-term. (There are a number who are still teaching, but thatā€™s probably not what your parents are wanting to know about.) I know one young woman who did TFA, then worked for the US government in the area of education and is now going to an Ivy League law school with a full-ride. I know another young man who is now at an excellent medical school. I know a young woman who did the Peace Corps and is now in grad school at Harvard. Itā€™s not a secret that graduate and professional schools like TFA (I know less about the Peace Corps). I think itā€™s for a a couple of reasons. One is because by the time youā€™re hired by TFA, youā€™ve been vetted very thoroughly. Another is that youā€™ve shown you can stick with something difficult. </p>

<p>Iā€™m not sure how difficult it is to get into the Peace Corps. I am certain it is very difficult to get into TFA. Every year the number of applicants goes up and, this year, Congress has reduced funding and many states are in a full-blown crisis with teacher lay-offs, etc. It may impact the number of corps members and placement, etc. So it may not be worth fighting about until youā€™re accepted by one organization or the other. A lot of parents need some time to get used to the idea of their son or daughter working in the inner city or postponing graduate school. Iā€™d suggest you get your parents the book ā€œRelentless Pursuitā€ which follows the stories of four TFA corps members in one of the toughest schools in Los Angeles. You should read it yourself too and see if it still seems appealing. Your parents will probably be horrified by the first several chapters, but they may understand where you are coming from by the end (you should probably look at it first since you know better how theyā€™ll react). </p>

<p>Ultimately, this is your decision. Itā€™s your life. The older I get, the more Iā€™m convinced that people should take advantage of their twenties to do the things they feel passionately about because you wonā€™t always be as free to go off and live in another part of the world, or take two yeas to follow your passion.</p>

<p>Tell your parents that TFA and PC are BIG plus factors for med/law admissions. Top med schools love to see those ECsā€¦such service on your resume just might get you an interview or offer of admission to med school that offers scholarships. Sure, its a risk but not just two years ā€˜wastedā€™.</p>

<p>Well, doing TFA or PC technically will not affect my med/law school chances, since I plan to apply to both at the same time and then defer admission if accepted to TFA/PC. Too bad, because my parents probably would have been overjoyed otherwise. ;)</p>

<p>Worth watching:</p>

<p>[Seven</a> stories of real Teach for America corps members | Learning Matters: Reporting you trust on education stories that matter](<a href=ā€œhttp://learningmatters.tv/blog/web-series/the-real-world-of-teach-for-america-the-series/3669/]Sevenā€>http://learningmatters.tv/blog/web-series/the-real-world-of-teach-for-america-the-series/3669/)</p>

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<p>OP: chomp on this idea: [Doctors</a> Without Borders](<a href=ā€œhttp://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/]Doctorsā€>http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/)</p>

<p>[To</a> Hell with Good Intentions by Ivan Illich](<a href=ā€œhttp://www.swaraj.org/illich_hell.htm]Toā€>http://www.swaraj.org/illich_hell.htm)</p>

<p>Paying 3, I thought of that also. I figured the mere idea would drive the parents insane. :)</p>

<p>There were over 4000 applicants for PC last year for less than 10,000 positions. Those wishing to be assigned to a Spanish speaking country must demonstrate Spanish language proficiency. The PC does not encourage applicants to have a specific choice about their assignment.</p>

<p>The application process can take up to a year to completeā€¦DD did her application in August of 2009 and got her assignment in August 2010. There are TONS of materials to be completed. The Peace Corps website is good and tells the process quite nicely.</p>

<p>I actually think I agree with your parents. If you really want to help the world, getting a job and giving half your income to unicef would be about a million times more effective.</p>

<p>Choosing peace corps is fine of course, but just be honest about the motivation (self-improvement, resume,ā€¦ plus charity too of course).</p>

<p>^^</p>

<p>While that sounds good, I wonder how many people who actually think they would do that when they are 21 end up doing it. People spend years paying off medical school debts and, by then, they want to buy a house, have kids, etc. and the idealism of youth has long since passed.</p>

<p>^ Oh no Iā€™m not talking about a lifetime of giving.</p>

<p>If you take 2 years working for the peace corps, or 2 years getting a mediocre job but giving a large chunk of your income to unicef, the latter will benefit the global poor far more.</p>

<p>Of course it wouldnā€™t look quite so good on the resume under ā€˜international experiencesā€™ would itā€¦</p>

<p>Keep, you are sooo right. All these kids volunteering Nepal. They would do much more staying home and having parents send money.</p>

<p>I guess itā€™s a matter of personal perspective. I think just sending money is like having grandparents who send money but donā€™t visit or do things with the grandchildren. Time spent DOING something is valuable. I think itā€™s more valuable than just sending a check. If you are able to do both in your lifeā€¦then do both. Give of your timeā€¦and then when you earn some money and canā€¦give some money.</p>

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<p>Valuable for who? More valuable for the giver, maybe. But Iā€™m not convinced that unskilled rich people coming to dig ditches is more valuable to the poor than money that buys food and medicine.</p>

<p>It is of course different for people who have actual skills to contribute. Doctors/engineers/accountants etc. But not college students.</p>

<p>I think many volunteer opportunities are available at home. I think colleges should think more about encouraging these overseas trip. Volunteering to teach kids english in the Bronx should be just as important as teaching kids english in Nepal</p>

<p>Take a typical fresh out of college graduate, not with an engineering or nursing degree (my examples of types of degrees that pay well startin year one).</p>

<p>Most of these 22-year-old college grads have trouble finding full time jobs that pay enough to cover rent, groceries, car payments, gas, car insurance, and utility bills. The idea that a typical 22-year-old could get a job and donate a lot of their earnings to charity? I think that a typical 22-year-oldā€™s time would be more valuable to the world than what she could donate after expenses. Just my opinion. </p>

<p>I agree - volunteering in the Bronx, or elsewhere in the U.S., is great.</p>

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<p>It is your opinion, and itā€™s wrong. Suppose that such a person could only get a job at McDonaldā€™s, and could thus only donate $100 a month? Considering that large fractions of the world live on $1 a day, that $100 will do far more good in a poor country (via unicef or oxfam) than her time will.</p>

<p>After all: she can dig a ditch or help build some houses. But that $100 can pay locals to dig that ditch or build those houses, and more of them, providing work and money for the local economy too.</p>

<p>And if conditions are really desperate (eg a famine), that $100 will save several lives by buying rice, mosquito nets and water purification tablets. Her time will do nothing of the sort.</p>

<p>Iā€™m sorry, but since pay and living standards in rich countries are so much higher than in poor ones, by far the most valuable thing a westerner can contribute is usually money.</p>

<p>Suppose that her roundtrip flight to the poor country costs $1000. Think of the environmental damage caused by that flight, and the amount of food and medicine that $1000 could buy instead.</p>

<p>Not that I think programs like the peace corps are a bad idea. I just think we should be honest about who benefits and by how much.</p>

<p>To the OP ā€¦whilst your parents talk about you being able to make a greater contribution financially if you continue your studies uninterrupted, they may also be afraid of all the unknowns of PC or TFA. My daughter has been in TFA for the last 2 years and has elected to stay on for a third. Two years ago while we waited to hear if sheā€™d been accepted into the program, I remember thinking Iā€™d be happy either way (accepted or rejected) and in some ways (thoā€™ this doesnā€™t fit the way I like to see myself !) I would have felt more comfortable had she not been accepted. The idea of her working in gang-ridden neighborhoods with lots of day to day fear and violence was not what Iā€™d had in mind for her. (Not that I indulged in any stereotyping in my thought process).
Fast forward to present day - and I can say this has been a transformative experience for her and will have an impact on the way in which she views the world for the rest of her life. Without doubt this has been the most difficult thing she has ever attempted and she has never worked so hard or had to ā€œdig so deepā€.<br>
Before the detractors of TFA jump all over this I must add that in contrast to the situations described by some of the earlier posts the schools in her region are thrilled to have TFA CMā€™s - theyā€™re not competing with traditionally trained teachers for jobs because no-one else wants to teach there. The challenges are extraordinary but there are also opportunities and her sense of being able to make a difference is real. Whether or not sheā€™s better than an experienced traditionally trained teacher is moot - not an available/ realistic comparison. I think thereā€™s a good chance that because sheā€™s incredibly motivated to make a difference and puts in long hours to this end sheā€™s much more effective than someone with less training and little motivation.
Discussions about teachers often stir up a great deal of emotion and in part I think this is because thereā€™s such a wide gap between excellent teachers and lousy ones and it depends on any given day which group one is contemplating. I hear people talk about traditionally trained new teachers entering the local school systems and the comments made are along the lines of ā€œthey want to come in at 7:45 and leave at 3 and get everything done in that timeā€. I doubt any effective teacher keeps these kind of hours - it certainly doesnā€™t seem to be a TFA expectation!<br>
So, back to the OP - I think there are many ways in which one can make a contribution, and I think thereā€™s a lot to be said for seeing first hand how other people live. Thereā€™s a lot to be said also for pushing yourself to find out what you can and canā€™t do/cope with and for trying to make a hands-on difference and having a chance to be a part of a different community. I think itā€™s difficult to get off the career conveyor belt as you get older and have more responsibilities (spouse, kids etc), and maybe feel less idealistic and more jaded! I was much more adventurous myself as a young thing than I find I am for my kids (having discovered my inner worrier) - but fortunately they donā€™t listen to my concerns very much and forge their own paths!</p>

<p>how true, Ivan Illich: ā€œIn fact, you cannot even meet the majority which you pretend to serve in Latin America - even if you could speak their language, which most of you cannot. You can only dialogue with those like you - Latin American imitations of the North American middle class. There is no way for you to really meet with the underprivileged, since there is no common ground whatsoever for you to meet on.ā€ </p>

<p>i remember riding along on a truckbed with a lemon harvesting crew, bouncing on a nameless dirt ā€œroadā€ that wound for miles through citrus groves, with an occasional cluster of dwellings known in those parts as ā€œranchosā€. mostly lean-tos made of scrap wood and cardboard, or beehive-shaped mud huts. none had electricity or any apparent source of water. ā€œever wonder what the people in these ranchos eat tonight?ā€ i asked some of the field workers, who were themselves missing half their teeth and generally pretty ragged.</p>

<p>ā€œI do not know how they live, my friend,ā€ was the collective answer. so tell me how young college scholars are going to help people in such areas, where absolutely no common ground exists between them and even the lowest of their lowpaid working countrymen. but i guess they can gather plenty of material to write mag articles or books later on.</p>