As a freshman...

<p>Take 15 credits.</p>

<p>As for the work, if the lecture is boring, do the reading in class. Chances are you don't need to listen to that two-bit in the front of the room anyway (unless they test on lectures). I did this in the majority of my lectures last semester, rarely worked outside of class unless a test was coming or a paper needed written, and got a 4.0.</p>

<p>And the whole college versus high school thing--you will need to adapt academically. Trust me, college classes are way better. Socially, though, high school beats the $#!@ out of college. If you're still in high school, enjoy your last month because you'll never have as good of a time ever again, guaranteed.</p>

<p>MacTech is full of ****. High School sucks and college is superior in EVERY way.</p>

<p>yeah... Mac's macking his way to social disaster, maybe he should stop talking on this topic...!
sorry...anyway, though, unless you lack roommate and relationship skills, your college social life should be FAR better than high school.
Academics will defintely be harder, but a good, determined student should be fine. I took 16 units my first semester and was disappointed with my easy workload, so I took 18 my 2nd semester freshmen yr (including an upper division)--that was better--just see what you can do successfully!</p>

<p>Mike</p>

<p>Um, I'm not going to be associating with many college students because all they like to do is drink and get laid. I do have relationship skills, but I wouldn't use them on many college kids. End of discussion.</p>

<p>yup... its not you... its them</p>

<p>On the contrary, high school kids are the pinnacle of maturity. Rofl. What a tard.</p>

<p>You'd be surprised. Some of them were more mature before college.</p>

<p>For Berkeley, 13 units required for full-time student, but four standard classes are 4 units times four = 16 units. Seriously, at Berkeley, most freshmen I know are in class only 4 hours out of the day on average, and spend the rest of the time dicking around campus. Kick ass Californian lifestyle for sure, but this is for people who take 6+ APs in high school (I took 8). Since my major is political science, and most of my introductory courses are either fulfilled or not required for the major, my freshman and sophomore years are looking really chilled out.</p>

<p>So basically, if you're first years of college aren't very heavy, don't worry about it, just get used to the cirricula of what you are taking, and adjust accordingly. The situation is better yet if you take quite a few APs in high school and can claim credits per what you took. Your first 1-2 years of college are basically just getting to know the place.</p>

<p>I see a lot of people on here confusing "2 hours for every hour spent in class" with "2 hours every day for every class." Those 2 sentences don't say the same thing.</p>

<p>I just finished my freshman year, and I took the average courseload for my school - four classes each semester. I'd say I had a pretty average courseload - during my Spring semester I had Calculus, which was extraordinarily difficult for me, but I had a pretty easy class to balance it out. Overall, my courseload wasn't very easy or impossibly difficult. I had a solid GPA that I was proud of at the end of the semester (3.3) - not tragic, not stellar. So overall, for my school, I'd say I was pretty much average. Also important to note - I feel like I studied the same amount as almost everyone I knew. I didn't study much more or much less than everyone else.</p>

<p>I saw that "2 hours for every hour of class" thing a few times, and felt like I actually studied much more than that, so -- being the dork I am -- I did a little experiment. For a week, I actually counted the number of hours I spent studying each subject. It averaged out to be about five hours per hour I spent in class. I'm not exaggerating.</p>

<p>Expect to study a lot more in college. It's a really big reality check. Classes are more interesting and you spend considerably less time actually in the classroom...but you will work your BUTT off.</p>

<p>How many classes should we take typically?
about 4 classes -- 5 classes can be an overkill, but not for those who are well-prepared -- general requirement classes (like math, english, history) tend to be rather easy -- still the first quarter/semester students usually get lower gpa than they are capable of</p>

<p>How many club activities should we commit to?
generally freshmen and sophomores are much more involved in very diverse types of activities, organizations, and clubs – i remember there was a lot of partying going on 1st year, a bit less 2nd year, it decreased significantly 3rd year, and picked up by end of 4th -- during junior year there is more pressure with academics, as people start taking harder, more in-depth courses that pertain to their major – many also start studying for graduate and professional school examinations – 4th year people might work hard to graduate, they might be filling out applications and interviewing for various programs -- less time is available for partying and recreational activities, such that some people drop everything by 3rd-4th year -- as freshman, you would typically join as many organizations as hold your interest -- but not everyone gains rank in these so some people with less than genuine interest drop out, which is perfectly ok because graduate and professional schools weight some other parameters more heavily than if you were a treasurer of something or other (so it is different form HS application process) -- generally by 3rd-4th year people keep fewer activities and the ones that are most dear to them (it is sport for some, religious affiliation for others, or an occupational organization like a pre-dental club)</p>

<p>Is college freshman life wholly different from high school life?
yes, both socially and academically -- if you are going to a big university and you're not a social butterfly, you'll surely have trouble connecting with people -- in high school, with only hundreds of students you see every day, it is often easier to establish relationships -- in college, some kids end up depressed about being unable to fit in with their roommates (roommates might suck badly too) or find friends right away (some even end up needing professional help) but the trick is to realize that it is not only you who has trouble in this new place -- and this goes for all troubles you face in college – it is not only you -- and it is ok to be alone, it is ok to fit into whatever group you want to fit in, it is ok to spend all your time reading or engaging in some activity you really like, it is ok to do whatever you like, it is even ok to drop out or take academic leave if you need -- because adult life is starting and some of the "supervisory" elements (like parents and teachers) are gone so you're beginning to mold your own life more and more -- so you better mold it into something you will enjoy rather than what others require of you</p>

<p>there is also a significant pressure to pick a profession -- few students have real passions for some field, more have multiple strong interests, yet there are those who do not have any particularly strong interests -- what do you do then? -- and of course, almost everyone’s is unsure of what you can do with some degree or other and how you can promote your budding career -- and what do you do after college?</p>

<p>some of the responsibilities are also shifted to our own shoulders -- I never thought I would say this, but living a part of a family is easier than living on your own with roommates, even if your family is a bit dysfunctional – going to college you now have to do things like buy food to it and transport it home, wash dishes, do own laundry, things that perhaps your parents took care of? -- if you want money, you need to find a job, write a resume, go to interviews, work, do taxes, pay all kinds of bills and on time -- most students get cars when they go to college that they now have to take care of, wash, refill, repair … there are all these little things that just build up and take up more of your time</p>

<p>academically, if you have a different professor every semester/quarter for every subject, it might be hard to adjust to everyone's teaching style -- some professors don't give a damn about educating anyone and they teach only because they are required to (as opposed to majority of HS teachers) -- one prof even told me once that very good evaluations from students are not looked favorably upon as it is considered that the prof spent too much effort teaching, instead of doing research (so there you go) -- however, you do give a damn about your education and future -- so even though classes are only a few hours each day, the burden of studying is now shifted onto your shoulders -- the pace is whatever the professor wants it do be -- if you have to memorize glycolysis, Krebs cycle, fatty acid oxidation and biosynthesis of amino acids in 2 months along with all the chemical structures, byproducts, and 3 other courses on your shoulders and work, then so be it – the prof will lecture about 3 hours a week and everything else you read on your own -- the information is no longer digested for you as much as it was in HS -- you have to go and read textbook and figure things out yourself -- and it is your responsibility to go get help if you need (find a tutor, or go bug your TA, or go to office hours)</p>

<p>thanks to erryone for the information (: i've been reading every reply, and it's been very helpful. i'm actually trying to get into MTSU for an RIM program ( recording industry major ) and i was wondering if anyone knew anything on the program itself. And if so, how the hours for academics worked for that. i'd have to admit, my junior year grades aren't great. well, it brought me down to about a 3.0 - 3.1 . with that, i'm hoping to get SOMEWHERE. so if anyone had/has this particular GPA, please post some problems/advantages you had (:</p>

<p>It depends on the school. At Dartmouth, since we have trimesters (well, quarters, but you only attend 3 per year) you take 3 classes at a time, and each only meets for 3 hours a week.</p>

<p>edit: also, I don't entirely understand the credit system at other schools, but here, each class = 1 credit.</p>

<p>No one has mentioned yet that college grades are based on a just a few exams and papers. Few teachers give credit for routine work, except for science lab write-ups. You can't afford to blow an exam when it may be as much as 40% of the grade. You have to stay on top of the material, and last-minute cramming isn't going to work for long. Cramming uses short term memory; it isn't useful in the long run. You are paying thousands of dollars per semester for instruction, so put in the time to make the most of it.</p>

<p>A disciplined approach would be reading the material in advance, then covering it in lecture and rereading afterwards. By then you should have a firm grasp of the material, and be able to recall a formula or example years later when it's needed.</p>

<p>Thanks, kihyle for your great post-it was very informative and helpful.</p>

<p>Please, please, please ignore every person here who said 1) don't listen to lecture and 2) you don't need to study that much. Take it from a person who did NOT do well her first cuple yeears of college and had to make it up by performing in a stellar fashion the last 3 years (yes, an extra year for making up what I screwed up).</p>

<p>Lecture is important. FAR more important than high school. In high school, lecture is, too often, based straight out of the book. So if you did your reading, you didn't have to listen to lecture, and if you didn't do your reading, you could listen to lecture. Not so in college. They absolutely expect you to listen and know what they said. And you'll be doing yourself a disservice if you don't college professors are damn smart and you're paying to have their expertise. So listen up.</p>

<p>Two hours a class outside of class - yep, at least. In upper level classes it may be more. Keep in mind that these hours can be spread out how you want in several instances, but there are justso many hours in a week. Those people who do not keep up during the semester and only cram at midterm and final time don't cover everything couse - guess what? - there aren't that many hours in a day. You will get a syllabus in every class with due dates. MARK THEM ON A CALENDAR. Have a planner or use Outlook. Make changes when you professor makes changes. This way, you know what you have, when you have it, and how to plan your time. This may sound completely nerdy, but trust me, there is nothing nerdier than the 5-year (or 6-year) senior, or the person with the 3.0 GPA that could do so much better and whines about how the teachers suck. Tell those people, no, YOU, sir, are an idiot. (Actually, don't say anything, they won't get it.) College expects you to be responsible and independent learners. Keep track of your schedule and pace yourself accordingly. Listen to your professor and seek help when you need it (REALLY need it, not whiny high school questions). Make sure you can articulate your question, "I don't get it" isn't going to cut it. I promise you that in 4 years, you will not regret missing a party because you studied, but you will regret not getting the grades and recommendations you could have gotten.</p>

<p>Well, it all depends on whether you actually care about your college education or not- and if you don't, then why are you there?</p>

<p>I took two half-semester college classes at a small LAC during the second half of this year (I'm a high-school senior), and the experience was completely different from high school. I may not have had to study very much- a little reading, nothing too drastic- but the level of understanding required to do the few assignments that went toward my grade made it impossible for me to just sleep through the class. DespSeekPhd is dead right. Not taking classes seriously, or partying all the time, will not get you your degree, or a decent-paying job.</p>

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<p>YES. That was my BIGGEST problem when trying to adjust to college. There must be others on here like me - my strategy always was that I would study for my first test for each class in high school, sure, but I'd really USE the first test/paper to figure out the teacher's testing style, grading style, etc. Then I'd learn from that and use that to my advantage later on. I had straight A's in high school, but I almost always got a B or so on my first test or paper in every class. That was why - I chalked it up to a learning curve and knew I'd do better from then on. And I always did. When I came to college, however, I couldn't afford to sacrifice the first test anymore because that first test was worth 30-40% of my grade. And it happened within the first month of school. That's another huge reality check...your first set of midterm grades. They're usually just based on one test/paper per class, and that test/paper is given within the first month of your time there. Eek...</p>

<p>one good rule about studying that i heard (but rarely followed) is that an average student has to spend 7 hours/week studying for one class taken to achieve a grade higher than a C -- now this is 1 hour a day per class, which is not much -- bright students of course can slip away with less than that, while some students will need to spend more than that to succeed in college</p>

<p>7 hour/week rule works ONLY if you spend those 7 hours studying -- i've seen kids sit in library chat, socialize, sleep, play games and then complain they spend 5 hours "studying" each day and still got C's on their exams so what gives?</p>

<p>7-hour rule become 8-hour or ever 10-hour rule with upper-division courses -- but the last 2 years of college students tend to take fewer classes than sophomores and freshmen do, because usually college programs do not require so many classes to fill in completely your every semester/quarter -- they give you ample space in your graduation plan to take classes over again if you need to, or to take fewer classes if you didn't fail any -- plus there are those summers where you can take one or two classes to not struggle with them during academic year (in summers i suggest you take the easiest courses because these are accelerated and you don't want to be stuck with an accelerated and conceptually difficult course -- but with an easy course you can get an A and free up some time for yourself during the year)</p>

<p>so with 3-4 hours/day spent in class and 4-6 hours spend a day out of class studying there you have your 7-10 hour/day workload</p>

<p>Garrr!, regarding the credit thing you were wondering about. I know that at the school I'm going to be attending, Iowa State, and other schools I looked at (all of which ran on a semester schedule) a class that met for one hour MWF was a 3-Credit course. 3 hours class time = 3 Credits. Classes that meet 1.5 hours TR are 3-Credit. Every once in a while, you'll run into a class that is 4 or 2 credits but it's the same system. 1/2-Credit classes are usually only 1/2 of a semester.</p>

<p>Maximum class load at ISU is 20 credits I believe. Minimum for full time is 12, which seems standard for all universities. Or some are going with 15 credits. I'll have 13.5 next semester, with 2 courses MWF, 2 TR, and the Library course which i'm taking on the fast-track system to get it done in 3 weeks.</p>