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<p>Now...are you sure?</p>
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T26E4: That is indeed what I provided. Why do we want to educate ourselves? To become more open minded, liberal, and accomodating to new idea.
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<p>I don't think being conservative and being "accomodating to new ideas" are necessarily mutually exclusive. maybe you're just getting "conservative" and "evangelical/fundamental religious to the point of pure dogma" mixed up. I think there's a difference in beliving less government intervention as a whole, lassez-faire economic policies and anti-immigration policies and say, "America's evils are all because of feminism, homosexuality and Paris Hilton".</p>
<p>for all your so-called "liberalism", POIH, it seems you're less-inclined to be susceptible to new beliefs as you put the "conservatives" of being.</p>
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I don't think being conservative and being "accomodating to new ideas" are necessarily mutually exclusive. maybe you're just getting "conservative" and "evangelical/fundamental religious to the point of pure dogma" mixed up. I think there's a difference in beliving less government intervention as a whole, lassez-faire economic policies and anti-immigration policies and say, "America's evils are all because of feminism, homosexuality and Paris Hilton".</p>
<p>for all your so-called "liberalism", POIH, it seems you're less-inclined to be susceptible to new beliefs as you put the "conservatives" of being.
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<p>Dude, you totally ruined it. It was so much more fun humoring him.</p>
<p>jack51,</p>
<p>You only listed your standardized test scores. They are very important, but they are not “be-all, end all.” I advise spending some time listing your accomplishments and trying to market them such that they show your leadership and passion.</p>
<p>Download a copy of the Common Application and start organizing your thoughts on the essay prompts.</p>
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Being asian will not help you get into any school.
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<p>This is not true.</p>
<p>The five schools you listed are all research universities where Asian students are frequently derided as “over-represented.”</p>
<p>Asian students are not, however, “over-represented” at liberal arts colleges, particularly ones in the Midwest and South.</p>
<p>I recommend doing some research into these schools.</p>
<p>You have a chance to get into those five research universities. As a hedge, I strongly suggest that you take a look at selective liberal arts colleges.</p>
<p>Best of luck.</p>
<p>Jack51, heed Fabrizio's above post. While you should certainly apply to the schools you listed, you should also look at other excellent schools where "being Asian" is unusual. Too often, internationals and first-generation students are interested only in the universities that have prestige internationally; this ends up hurting them. Talk to your GC about schools that will offer an excellent education but which might be as-yet unknown to you and your parents.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that unless you are a citizen or a permanent resident, you cannot receive financial aid from most (if not all) public universities. International students requesting aid should concentrate on private schools.</p>
<p>one of my classmates used that he was a foreigner in his stanford application
he is now heading to stanford next year.</p>
<p>@OP: you should include your story in your essays. Colleges will love it.</p>
<p>@POIH: You seem to be ignorant about religiously affiliated schools, and you have faulty logic. You seem to think that at religious schools, religion is all there is, as in "Jesus says 2+2=4." Were you aware that Georgetown is affitliated with the Catholic Church, and that Harvard was started to provide training for future ministers? Those schools are not considered indoctrination camps, as you seem to assume all religious colleges are, and neither is Notre Dame. </p>
<p>Now, in your arguments, your logic breaks down completely. By "open Environment, I assume that you mean an environment where you are free to think for yourself. However, you completely invalidate your point by saying that people should comke out of these places liberal. Isn't that saying that they shouldn't be able to think for themselves and they should be told wht to think?</p>
<p>^^^ There is no faulty logic in the statement. It is true that if you put blinders on the face your view will be narrow. Since the only 1 of the 5 colleges OP listed is religiously affiliated so I advised him to not consider it because it won't provide an open space of learning.</p>
<p>I say people become liberal means that they are more open to other people views.</p>
<p>Do you see any irony here?</p>
<p>"I say people become liberal means that they are more open to other people views."</p>
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<p>"Since the only 1 of the 5 colleges OP listed is religiously affiliated so I advised him to not consider it because it won't provide an open space of learning."</p>
<p>Is this your example of being open to others' views? Isn't a more prudent statement: "some schools have a lesser reputation of fostering expansive reflection"</p>
<p>Over generalization isn't a positive trait whatever fig leaf you place atop it.</p>
<p>I never denounced anyone else view. All of you came bashing when I put forward a piece of advice. If OP has suggested that he is interested in religious environment I would have suggested some Madrasah in Middle East too as an advice.</p>
<p>The two (Notre Dame and the Madrasah) are totally different. if you want a college that is closer to a madrasah, you should look at a place like Liberty University, where a religious test has to be passed before becoming a member of the faculty. As far as I know, there is no such test at Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, or any of the other big name Catholic Universites. </p>
<p>By the way, perhaps a better word than "liberal" would have been "open-minded"</p>
<p>Please stop POIH. You are giving us liberals a very bad name.</p>
<p>weenie: If you try to shut differing opinions then you can't proclaim to be liberal.</p>
<p>I think he was trying to say was, metaphorically, "the hole that you have dug for yourself is already deep enough, don't keep digging so that more people fall in"</p>
<p>^^^ that seems to be a personal opinion and I'm open to it but won't change my stance a bit.
Come to think of it if someone says they are interested in Ivies then everyone give advice Why Ivies but if someone tells you Why Notre Dame then it is a problem. Will you let me know Why?</p>
<p>There was a nightly segment on Paula Zahn or one of the others about airport security and racial profiling. Out came a terrorist 'export' who gave this counter point:</p>
<p>Point: it is no denying most organized terrorist acts are committed by young, fit, middle eastern men. Why take attention away and trained it on 87 yr grandma visiting her grand dauther in Kansas ?</p>
<p>"Export": Who is a typical middle eastern men? There are Arabs with blue-eye, blond hair. You can't select someone from the line and think they looked middle eastern !</p>
<p>Liberals will turn away any substantive idea away if they find one exception. By their method, nothing will ever work. Look at the nineteen 9/11 hijackers ? Which of you find them European looking ? </p>
<p>Quotes from the Liberal's handbook:</p>
<p>If one person has it, it must be passed to anyone who wants it including those who didnt work to get it. If one person can't have it, then nobody can have it. Always be ready to reject any attempt to fix any problem by finding the slightest exception especially if the idea came from someone who is not as liberal-thinking. Lastly, in the spirit of open-mindedness, traditions are bad and have to be taken down one-by-one [ ban the Pledge of allegience, "Merry Xmas" must be banned and may be substitued by "Happy Holidays" in malls yet Kwanza display is ok (why?)</p>
<p>This is how liberals walk through life thinking they are doing a good service to humanity.</p>
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Come to think of it if someone says they are interested in Ivies then everyone give advice Why Ivies but if someone tells you Why Notre Dame then it is a problem. Will you let me know Why?
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<p>Except the OP didn't ask "Why Notre Dame." He simply wanted to know if he had a chance at any of the colleges he listed.</p>
<p>Owned.</p>
<p>Big Brother 1984 : Then you need to go thru the threads where OP ask for chances at Ivies. Everyone will jump on why Ivies? So the question why Notre Dame?</p>
<p>Why become defensive on something you don't want to discuss? it is like forbidden.</p>
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Big Brother 1984 : Then you need to go thru the threads where OP ask for chances at Ivies. Everyone will jump on why Ivies? So the question why Notre Dame?
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<p>Because people have a cognitive bias against the Ivies. It's only a natural reaction.</p>
<p>But people tend to not have a negative reaction against Notre Dame. Actually, you should be glad that the OP is looking at schools OTHER than the highly coveted Ivies. Your "Why Notre Dame" statement is as inane as a "Why Berkeley" statement, for nobody ever really attacks these considerations.</p>
<p>Basically, you looked more like an @$$ when you attacked Notre Dame as opposed to if you attacked an Ivy. Basic psychology.</p>
<p>POIH,I'd like to get your opinion on Guilford College, a Quaker school that is considered one of the most liberal colleges in the country.</p>