<p>RML is ignoring the reality of CMC’s age when he brings up the salary thing again and again. As I stated previously, if you conduct this same survey 10 years into the future, you will see that rise to at least the level of Berkeley. CMC has gained a lot of prestige in the past few years and its acceptance rate has dropped dramatically.</p>
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Or because they are seen in the periodic table. </p>
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The product of one Berkeley research program is particularly well-known in Japan.</p>
<p>Research with undergrads on the team? Few research positions go to undergrads at the UCs -</p>
<p>RML – I finally got around to looking up what the Ivy Plus Society is. From their website:</p>
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<p>This is an opportunity for social networking. It also looks like I could go as a guest of a legitimate member, so everyone you meet there might not even be from the selected group of schools. It looks like a good idea if a person is looking for a party. Personally, I hate events like these where I don’t know anyone, too much small talk.</p>
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<p>The Ivy Plus is not dissimilar to the “It’s Just Lunch” or similar concepts that every city has. Social networking and they use some list of schools as a proxy for “these are the types of people we want” so that the riffraff doesn’t get in. It is hilarious that RML thinks that the choice of what those schools are is a meaningful designator. If I set up social networking and said, “Hmm, I want to ensure an upper middle class turnout, I’ll choose Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn, Columbia, Cornell, JHU and U of Chicago,” the fact that I didn’t choose Brown or Dartmouth or Amherst doesn’t mean that those schools aren’t equally “qualified” as elite schools. It was most likely the schools-that-came-to-mind-most-easily for the organizers of this social club.</p>
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<p>ARE YOU SURE??? lol</p>
<p>No one would really argue that Dartmouth offers superb undergrad education. Meanwhile, half of the people at Harvard aren’t happy with being there. Yet when one is accepted at H and D, one would enroll in Harvard. You know why? Because of the Harvard name. School prestige probably does not matter to you and your children. But to a lot of students, especially those elite, top-class, Class-A, super-talented students, prestige matters a lot.</p>
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<p>Yes, we are sure. College is way expensive in these days especially in this economy. I doubt anyone is going to dish out $50k a year just so they can wear a “brand name” on their sleeve.</p>
<p>Well, RML, have a nice life that appears to be defined by substituting the opinions and judgment of others for your own. How do you get dressed in the morning, if you haven’t already taken a poll as to whether more people like your blue sweater or green sweater?</p>
<p>Ironically, earlier today I was reading a parenting article about how to teach your child to be comfortable in his own judgments, and not to do things just because that’s what other people like / prefer.</p>
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<p>Where did you get that statistic? I’m not aware that Harvard has any more than it’s share of unhappy students.</p>
<p>^ I’m sure I’ve read that one on CC. Can’t find the post right now, sadly.</p>
<p>I actually read somewhere that 96% of UC Berkeley students got rejected from Stanford and hate Berkeley. I can’t find the source though, sorry.</p>
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<p>I thought it was 99%. I also read that Cal male student’s units are a full inch shorter than Stanford men’s. Can’t find that source either, funnily enough.</p>
<p>“I also read that Cal male student’s units are a full inch shorter than Stanford men’s.”</p>
<p><em>snicker</em></p>
<p>Would explain why they need to fall back so heavily on their beloved alma mater’s name… to compensate for their… “deficiencies.”</p>
<p>^ Heh…actually, the true Berkeley guys who have posted in this thread have been <em>relatively</em> impartial, “funnily enough”.</p>
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Being able to wear “Harvard shirt” is one thing. Being able to tap the vast and rich resources and alumni of Harvard is a huge important thing.
The same is true for Berkeley in Asia. When you tell your employer in Japan that you’ve graduated from Berkeley, you already have an edge, because chances are, they have heard of Berkeley and they have heard that Berkeley is such a great institution. Whereas such thing can’t be said for CMC. Let’s be real. In general, top students would rather be associated with prestigious schools. To deny that is denial at best.</p>
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<p>Except different people define prestige differently.</p>
<p>That’s probably true, berkeley has a higher percentage of asians and asians are usually shorter.</p>
<p>RML,
Your comparison in # 148 of Dartmouth and Harvard is interesting. Harvard is the ultimate prestige college with only a few others even near the same stratosphere. Yield is a good reflection of this:</p>
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<p>76%, Harvard
71%, Stanford
68%, Yale</p>
<p>Compare this record with your zealous campaigning about the great desirability of UC Berkeley. Are you aware that the yield for OOS students at UC Berkeley is 19%? It’s pretty clear that Americans who come from outside of California don’t see UC Berkeley in the same light that you do. </p>
<p>Even in the state of California where the cost is heavily discounted, the yield is only 38%. </p>
<p>However, you are right about internationals having a higher preference for UC Berkeley. The yield on international students is a more respectable 45%. </p>
<p><a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp[/url]”>http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp</a></p>