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<p>Dude, uh, no one said you did?</p>
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I'm just saying that on all the applications that I've done so far, listing your race is optional, and being Asian, I simply ommited that section.
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<p>I take it your last name isn't Patel, Chang, Wong, Kim or Park?</p>
<p>Well, gee, maybe that has to do with the enormous concentration of asians in Cali? Stats need to be examined to be understood.</p>
<p>"That's really the best attitude to have about things, actually. Whenever something is unfair and wrong, just let it go and try not to enforce change. I'm sure that mentality gets you really far in life Antarius! You are so good at giving advice!"</p>
<p>if you CAN change it please do so... *****ing about it isnt going to change anything.. so if you are so gung-ho about it, please go make the diffecence you want to see</p>
<p>And I am asian and had no problems whatsoever in admissions... i think if you are unique 9as everyone is) and fit the school and can tell them that through the application, then you will get in, asian or not</p>
<p>"That's really the best attitude to have about things, actually. Whenever something is unfair and wrong, just let it go and try not to enforce change. I'm sure that mentality gets you really far in life Antarius! You are so good at giving advice!"</p>
<p>if you CAN change it please do so... *****ing about it isnt going to change anything.. so if you are so gung-ho about it, please go make the diffecence you want to see</p>
<p>And I am asian and had no problems whatsoever in admissions... i think if you are unique 9as everyone is) and fit the school and can tell them that through the application, then you will get in, asian or not</p>
<p>"That's really the best attitude to have about things, actually. Whenever something is unfair and wrong, just let it go and try not to enforce change. I'm sure that mentality gets you really far in life Antarius! You are so good at giving advice!"</p>
<p>if you CAN change it please do so... *****ing about it isnt going to change anything.. so if you are so gung-ho about it, please go make the diffecence you want to see</p>
<p>And I am asian and had no problems whatsoever in admissions... i think if you are unique 9as everyone is) and fit the school and can tell them that through the application, then you will get in, asian or not</p>
<p>damn.. sorry for the triple post... dont know what happened</p>
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Well, gee, maybe that has to do with the enormous concentration of asians in Cali?
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<p>No duh. But like I said, if Ivy League schools had blind admissions, more Asians would be in Ivy League schools. The Asians who, because of informal quotas and stereotyping of Asians on behalf of admissions people at certain schools, end up in UCLA, Berkeley and CalTech instead of Harvard, Yale and Princeton would be the ones making up "near a majority" of Ivy League student populations if there were blind admissions.</p>
<p>If an American kid is Asian, there's a huge chance he'll be a California citizen. If that same kid is highly qualified, there's a large chance he'll apply to both the UCs and top colleges like the Ivy Leagues. There happen to be a ton of highly qualified Asian students who apply to the Ivy Leagues. There happen to be a disproportionate number of Asians in Ivy League who have higher scores and GPAs than the rest of the student body, which implies its harder to gain admission to the best colleges if one is Asian. </p>
<p>The huge number of Asians that are rejected from Ivy League schools because of ethnically-based glass-ceilings often end up choosing one of the better UCs.</p>
<p>If there were race-blind admissions, the number of Asians in Ivy League schools would be quite higher, and hence the number of Asians at the UCs would probably be lesser.</p>
<p>Well gee, you get my point?</p>
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<p>Well then I guess most Asians are not unique, or Harvard admissions people wouldn't mark them so low on having "personal qualities."</p>
<p>No, because overwhelming evidence exists that a vast majority of students wish to stay close to home. Your arguement would be stronger if you were using Stanford, rather than the Ivies...</p>
<p>" Well then I guess most Asians are not unique, or Harvard admissions people wouldn't mark them so low on having "personal qualities.""</p>
<p>In that case, thasts a problem with them... the very fact thaat many asians get in is clear enough that they pick the best of them or the ones that they want.. aand also, its not only a stat battle, its a best fit.. so maybe only 30% odd asians fit their environment.. and there are so many other applicants that qualify as much too</p>
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<p>Show me an Asian dad who will prefer their kid to go to UCLA rather than Harvard if accepted at both. Show me someone who would pick UCSD over Princeton. Oh but wait! UCSD is so much closer to home than the best university in the country! Guess they'll overwhelmingly choose Oakland over New Haven.</p>
<p>What's the reason that you're avoiding Stanford? I actually haven't looked up their stats, but why not examine a school that many/most consider better than Princeton and that serves a control for the geographic variable?</p>
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<p>Stanford is over 20% Asian. It's a good control, you're right about that. But while people in California may think its good as Princeton, no one in the rest of these United States will think so.</p>
<p>What is the difference between an Asian applicant who has been born and raised in the United States, and an applicant who was born and raised in the United States and happens to have an Italian or Irish last name. True their ancestors immigrated from another country, but it should have no bearing on a college admission. The fact that Asian applicants feel that they have been pushed harder by their parents means nothing unless they have the STATs to back it up. Also a college is trying to put together a community and they do look for many types of diversity in order to build and balance their student body. Diversity is more than how a person looks. Asians who have had the same advantages as any other American applicant should need no help getting in any school. Period!</p>
<p>Oh, no, I was referring to their ethnic stats. I'm from NJ, by the way, and there's a reason why the acronym on this site is often HYPS. I don't have the grades to apply to any of those schools, although my SATs are above their ranges. However, I'm pretty sure that the prestige of Stanford is not below Princeton. Are their SATs lower?</p>
<p>As as I mentioned in another post, a school's percentage of Asians is in direct relation to the population of Asians in that particular state. In other words some people commented on the low number of Asians at Virginia colleges (where I am from). Speaking of public colleges, this will reflect the population of Asians or Asian applicants in that state. Makes sense since CA has a much larger population of Asians.</p>
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<p>This site features a huge amount of users from California/West Coast (many Asian, understandably). If this site were frequented by mostly East Coast people, it might be HYPD for Duke. I haven't seen "HYPS" used by any other people, whether college students or college counselors or admissions people, than people on CC.</p>
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<p>Stanford is absolutely amazing. Princeton is East Coast and Ivy League. You will find people who will equate the two, but I'm pretty sure that most people will feel one edges out the other in terms of historical prestige and "name brand." That is most definitely Princeton, not Stanford.</p>
<p>Not all people, nor all Asians (whether Southeast, Southern, etc...) will pick as you assume that they would.</p>
<p>That is one problem with your arguement.</p>
<p>Another is that generally Asians themselves do not distingush themselves from one another.</p>
<p>Another is that people or society would benefit from a majoritarian Asian population at more non-CA schools. Diverse, no. Not in majors, not in discussions, not in activities that are part of the overall college ethos.</p>
<p>And, we are aware that an Asian dad would sometimes rather send their kid, say, to Cal over UC-San Diego even if it means communiting from home.</p>
<p>Not all people, nor all Asians (whether Southeast, Southern, etc...) will pick as you assume that they would.</p>
<p>That is one problem with your arguement.</p>
<p>Another is that generally Asians themselves do not distingush themselves from one another.</p>
<p>Another is that people or society would benefit from a majoritarian Asian population at more non-CA schools. Diverse, no. Not in majors, not in discussions, not in activities that are part of the overall college ethos.</p>
<p>And, we are aware that an Asian dad would sometimes rather send their kid, say, to Cal over UC-San Diego even if it means communiting from home.</p>
<p>believe me... Princeton has one thing over Stanford.. a 4 rank ahead on US News... thats it...,</p>
<p>The world thinks of them as good.. And please.. harvard and princeton arent the end of the world... there are better places according to some, to me and the choice of major</p>
<p>And if you get an engineering degree from Stanford.. it OWNS one from princeton</p>