<p>i hate when people generalize and say that asians are the "model minorities" bc it masks really serious problems... like the large economic gap within the Asian-American group... while many Asian-Americans are highly educated and live in the upper middle class suburbia there are also Asian-Americans who are extremely poor and unfortunately, colleges do not take the tribulations that these people endure into account because Asians are generally stereotyped as the "model minority" and are generally not seen as needing help... the "model minority" stereotype also opens the way for colleges to discriminate against Asians in the admissions process... last year Princeton did a study that showed that 4 out of the 5 spots given to needy minorities would go to Asians if affirmative action was eliminated... that's extremely racist if elite colleges are imposing a system which keeps the Asiain-Americans representation lower in order to allow other people to take their sports solely because they are not Asian-American... I don't understand y people don't do something to stop this racist against Asian-Americans</p>
<p>Hey. It's unfair. I've seen many over qualified Asians ousted out of a top college in favor of URMs. But you can't do anything about it, and discussing on CC doesn't get anything done either.</p>
<p>Suck it up and overachieve.</p>
<p>Yes.. asians are surely being discriminated against at top colleges when the percentage of asian students at top universities on average quadruples the percentage of asian-americans in the whole country (4%)</p>
<p>...........=(</p>
<p>The sarcasm in ksanders' post is totally accurate. I know a freshman at a top Ivy who was calling admitted students last week. Every.....single.....last... one....who was called was an Asian male in the sciences. Yes, they are just SO discriminated against. (not)</p>
<p>Just because you're Asian, and just because/if academic production is your LIFE, or just because your parents (of whatever ethnicity) are insanely obsessive about "only an Ivy," or "only HYP," that does not mean that you get to claim all the available spots at those schools. This is called greed. It is also called a complete lack of perspective.</p>
<p>Please get over yourselves with the just-so-discriminated-against whine. Apply to a variety of schools like the rest of the world, & deal with occasional rejection.</p>
<p>Let me put it to you another way:</p>
<p>I know Asians both overseas & in this country who are indeed the kinds of students that the top schools look for, because their lives have expressed their unique personalities & desires -- drives that come from within, & not merely the (unrealistic) expectations of their ethnic communities or relatives. (They may have incidentally achieved highly, as well.) They're lovely people. They are in strong running for seats in top schools. In some cases I know their families well. In some cases also they have developed special e.c.'s in their own countries -- activities that we don't have here, & that adds interest to their applications, & is interesting to a college.</p>
<p>On the other hand, this is what a very selective school can sometimes consider "unqualified" or "under-qualified": (any ethnicity -- minority or not). The "you" means any applicant, not the posters.</p>
<p>You're unqualified if you're a myopic academic machine -- or come across that way, in your person or in your application.
You're unqualified if your non-academic achievement or orientation does not match or come close to your academic achievement.
You're unqualified if you're attitude says, 'You're required to admit me.'
You're unqualified if you display some of the ignorance, the lack of sensitivity, & the lack of inclusion of the kaleidoscope of talents & backgrounds that make U.S. colleges so vibrant. The U.S. is not Asia: deal with it.</p>
<p>At a "high-rent" public school in my region, with a large & achieving Asian population, there was not a single admission to an Ivy this yr from the senior class. In shock, the GC called the admissions office of one of the top Ivies, asking why there were no positive results among their many 4.infinity-GPA students. The Ivy's response: "We are looking for students with genuine passions outside of academics, and not just for achievement-for-the-sake of achievement. We saw none of that among your applicants."</p>
<p>The admissions process at the highly selective colleges are by definition discriminatory. That is they choose only the very best, brightest, most outstanding according to THEIR NEEDS and CRITERIA. </p>
<p>Your point about different asian americans are also true about all americans period.</p>
<p>We are all individuals and should be judged up or down on our own merits. This we can all agree too.</p>
<p>If you want to do something about it. DO this. Dont apply to the top 20.
Apply and attend another university that will accept you for who you are.</p>
<p>Did you know that ECs, LoRs, essays, and sport/leadership involvement started to become heavily weighted in Ivy admissions because so many Jewish students were being admitted in the early part of the 1900s? Jewish kids back then did very well in school (high GPAs) and had high test scores, but because they were recent immigrants many of them did not play in varsity sports, do music, or get leadership positions (hey, they were discriminated against!). Requiring an essay and LoRs also made it easier for the admissions officers to distinguish between who's Jewish and who's not (since it was sometimes hard to tell just by looking at the applicant's personal info).</p>
<p>I read an article saying how these admissions practices, originally devised to keep Jewish enrollment at Ivies below a certain level (10%?), now work against Asian applicants (the 'newest' group of immigrants in the United States). The article went on to say how it's ironic that Jewish students now use these admissions criteria, designed to keep them out of top colleges, to their advantage by taking part in lots of ECs, leadership activities, sports, music, art, etc.</p>
<p>Definitely an interesting topic to think about, if you look into it more deeply.</p>
<p>lewisloftus ~ yes that article was in the New Yorker a few months ago, it was really interesting in that the whole process from the early 1900s (meant to keep out Jewish people from Ivies) resembles affirmative action.</p>
<p>^ Yeah, maybe if you’d told her that five years earlier, she would have actually seen what you had to say. ;)</p>
<p>(Check the year of the thread before you post)</p>
<p>What about white people who are poor?</p>
<p>There are poor people in every socioeconomic group. It is the colleges’ choice to choose which group is “deserving” of an affirmative action.</p>
<p>I think it’s unfair, but the only way to level the playing field is to try as hard as possible to do as well as you can in school and otherwise.</p>
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<p>LOL destroyed!</p>