I agree with Hanna. Personally I doubt she’s going to make a big deal about it. She was getting flack for her funeral outfit before someone spotted the location of his hand which was probably awkward, the minister didn’t know who she was and told a joke that fell flat to the congregation which was awkward so I imagine she just doesn’t want to bring up the day at all anymore. I have no idea who she was or why she was at Aretha Franklin’s funeral either so entirely conceivable as Hanna speculated that she doesn’t want to take the spotlight off the funeral. She would know and she would know if it was significant enough to make a big deal of it or if it was worth it to have her lawyer talk to a prosecutor in Detroit.
@MomofJandL, what Michigan law do you think he would have broken?
He made a joke about her last name sounding like a Taco Bell menu item. As part of the same bit that he talked about respecting her, as he was kneading her breast onstage. It didn’t just fall flat.
Are men in Michigan legally allowed to grope women?
Grande probably won’t make a complaint, so a prosecutor couldn’t bring charges based on the incident. Men in Michigan are certainly allowed to grope women with permission, and Grande is unlikely to say he didn’t have it. But a smart local prosecutor might start asking questions of the women in his congregation.
For those of you with access to the Chronicle of Higher Education, they’ve published an interesting piece by Katherine Mangan: “Why More Colleges Are Trying Restorative Justice in Sex-Assault Cases”
"The College of New Jersey is among a small but growing number of institutions that now offer alternatives to trial-like investigations that critics say can be traumatic for everyone involved. The U.S. education secretary, Betsy DeVos, has indicated, through Title IX guidance issued in 2017 and then in draft regulations obtained and reported last month by The New York Times, that the Trump administration welcomes alternative ways of handling sexual-misconduct disputes.
Approaches that start with the offender admitting responsibility and agreeing to repair the harm appeal to some students who aren’t interested in seeing someone suspended or expelled. Proponents see alternative resolution agreements as a way to cut down on Title IX investigations, save colleges money, and potentially be fairer to the accused."
Also behind a paywall, but this is a good analysis by a sex-crimes prosecutor of credibility patterns and how they inform our understanding of the allegations against Judge Kavanaugh:
Highlights include:
“Ford’s account is credible, even though she can’t remember several details.”
“Perhaps more striking are the details Ford did mention.Fairstein said sexual assault rarely happens with witnesses present. Yet Ford puts two people in the room — Kavanaugh and his prep school classmate, Mark Judge, whom she called “an essential witness.””
“The vast majority of sexual abuse victims delay disclosing what happened.”
^I just hate how every time one of these things comes out, people start stomping all over the woman/victim. Every single d* time. And I just read an account of a man who was assaulted by another man while in the Marines and no one would listen to him either, so it’s not just women.
People lie; accusers and the accused
People have fallable memories. It is ridiculous to say one should always believe the accuser. It is similarly ridiculous to condemn the accused in every situation. Yet without any testimony or evidence there is a politically motivated rush to judgment.
No but I think there needs to be reasonable limitations and there generally are. I doubt Ms. Ford wants the FBI all up in her business so putting it out there on Monday after 30 some years without a thick FBI file which I am sure could have been demanded is about as good as it gets. I hope she shows up but I am beginning to doubt it. Seems like she would have had her attorney give an emphatic “see you Monday” today. Timing is everything.
I don’t think the same level of limitations need to exist in regards to someone being appointed for their lifetime to a Supreme Court position as exist for criminal court.
When a story changed from never happened/wasn’t there to it was rough housing… that’s already pretty suspicious.
It’s Dr. Ford, by the way.
She has requested that the FBI investigate. She wants that to happen before she is interrogated by Senators while sitting at the same table as the man who she says tried to rape her.
Has his story changed, then? That certainly adds a new dimension. I have to say that, in general, I wouldn’t give much weight to most (but certainly not all) of the things people did in HS (I would hope that my own antics in HS and college wouldn’t be held against me now that I’m 57!). But a Supreme Court justice is a different matter–no one is perfect, but someone in that position needs to be as above-reproach as possible. If the accusation is true (I’ve never been part of the “believe the accuser without question” camp), it would be impossible to trust his ability to make fair and reasoned decisions, especially with regard to women.
But I can certainly understand why some would see the timing as suspect, regardless of the reasons.
His story has changed from “I never did anything like that” to “I now know who is making the accusation, and it never happened.” Which is not a change, he just got new information about the accuser/accusation and responded to it.
Last I heard the recovered alcoholic friend who used to get black out drunk regularly back then had said he doesn’t remember such an incident happening.
He has backers describing it as rough play, not him directly though. Perhaps he won’t, perhaps he is just testing the waters with that one.