“A new student movement at Harvard Law School is organizing to change the seal at the school, which the students argue represents and endorses a slaveholding legacy. The seal is the coat of arms of the family of Isaac Royall Jr., a slaveholder who endowed the first professorship of law at Harvard.” …
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/11/2/harvard-law-seal-change/
In breaking news, unfortunately, the descendants and supporters of John C. Calhoun have started a counter-movement—wink.
Kind of ridiculous…unfortunately, slavery is a part of American history, and many famous and influential historical men were slaveholders. But there’s no solution to that - that doesn’t mean that we wipe all historical remnants of slavery from existing structures. The family endowed the first law professorship there, and that’s why his coat of arms is displayed - they’re not celebrating the slaveholding past. Or as this law professor says:
*“As a historian…you just deal with the fact that this guy founded the school and tell the truth about it,” he said. “To change things is to act like [they] didn’t happen, and that’s a mistake.” *
Students need to get over themselves and worry that their future job pays enough so they can pay off those loans. But no. They worry if Harvard’s seal is free of any racist trigger warnings.
And these are our future lawyers & government workers. Yikes.
@blue147, people at HLS don’t have to “worry that their future job pays enough so they can pay off those loans” because basically anyone there who wants a $160k entry-level job can get it. Thus they have time to worry about larger issues, such as societal justice. I find it admirable that people are that focused on rooting out systemic injustice (and I’m pretty conservative).
people at HLS don't have to "worry that their future job pays enough so they can pay off those loans" because basically anyone there who wants a $160k entry-level job can get it.
[/QUOTE]
So even students graduating in the last half of their class can get a $160K entry-level job? Dang, I’m gonna go study for that LSAT now! And if I get in I’ll just pull a few B and mostly Cs. I mean, I hope you’re right.
Thus they have time to worry about larger issues, such as societal justice. I find it admirable that people are that focused on rooting out systemic injustice
[/QUOTE]
You mean their mind wonders into things that they confuse for “systemic injustice” that is often petty in the grand scheme of things.
What’s interesting about your support is that I’m now sure how retiring the HLS coat of arms will cure any supposed “systematic injustice.” It won’t bring the dead slaves back alive and erase any hardships their descendants faced due to slavery.
To “worry about [this] larger issue” is a joke. If you think this is “rooting out systemic injustice” I question your conservatism.
(and I'm pretty conservative).
[/QUOTE]
And? Reagan supported gun control. I like Reagan, but I don’t support his stance on guns.
@blue147, yes, even students graduating in the last half of the class at HLS can get a $160k/year job.
When I was coming through HLS (admittedly a better market than now), the person who my friends and I figure was ranked last or almost last in the class got a then-market rate job ($83/k/year in Manhattan, which was the going rate for top firms). It was a smaller but reputable firm and it merged with a top-tier firm and now he’s counsel in a top-tier NYC firm.
I am still involved with student activities on campus and current students confirm that anyone who wants a $160k/year job can get it. It’s Harvard, remember.
I do not understand or follow the nutty politics of many people at HLS, but I will not question their motives. Just as I think that my side means well, I will not question the motives of the other side, and I trust that they mean well, too.
Perhaps we should just close Harvard itself if that is how it all started? (Where does it ever end?)
yes, even students graduating in the last half of the class at HLS can get a $160k/year job.
[/QUOTE]
Awesome!
When I was coming through HLS (admittedly a better market than now), the person who my friends and I figure was ranked last or almost last in the class got a then-market rate job ($83/k/year in Manhattan, which was the going rate for top firms). It was a smaller but reputable firm and it merged with a top-tier firm and now he's counsel in a top-tier NYC firm.
[/QUOTE]
That’s a cute story.
I am still involved with student activities on campus and current students confirm that anyone who wants a $160k/year job can get it. It's Harvard, remember.
[/QUOTE]
I know it’s Harvard. No need to remind me.
I do not understand or follow the nutty politics of many people at HLS, but I will not question their motives. Just as I think that my side means well, I will not question the motives of the other side, and I trust that they mean well, too.
[/QUOTE]
You don’t follow and you don’t question. Well, I guess this conversation is done.
@HRSMOM: The irony about it is that without Isaac Royall Jr. HLS would probably not be in existence today.
Exactly. Shut it down! (sarcasm;)
@blue147, you clearly did not go to Harvard University (any school) or a top-tier law school. You should point that out when you post in a thread such as this; if I post in another thread about a school with which I have zero relevant experience, I point it out.
Your post #9 is wrong, too. Harvard U. would have founded a law school at another time if Isaac Royall hadn’t been involved.