<p>I would love to see an athletic recruiting section on this website. It would certainly bring more people to CC.</p>
<p>I'd also like to see a student/athlete section on CC. And I have a perfect question to post there: my son has recently offered his services to film soccer games for players who plan to enter the recruiting arena. And my D is a possible future recruit, so I may be a consumer of a recruiting film as well. Does anyone here have advice regarding how to approach the filming? I've read (here on CC) that college coaches prefer to see an entire game, un-edited, which suggests he should film as if doing a training film. But there are also rumblings about how you should put together a composite of "greatest hits" that focuses on the player sending in the tape. I would love to know what coaches really want and expect from a high school player who is involved in high level club play (but not ODP). Thanks!</p>
<p>This discussion seems to have missed a key part of the NYT article, that Harvard may have violated NCAA recruiting regulations.</p>
<p>Oh well, I guess its OK to violate NCAA regs if you're Harvard. After all, these recruits get such a benefit....</p>
<p>Like violating NCAA is unique to Harvard! Indiana just canned their basketball coach over recruiting violations.</p>
<p>MWC,</p>
<p>Yup. Everyone does it. I guess it's OK....</p>
<p>There are also IVY league rules about how many recruits can be in AI "bands" from a school's typical admit ... essentially the further from typical the fewer athletic admits. So if Harvar is following IVY league rules and also acceptign basketball players with lower standards than they are taking those recruits from other sports (likely football and/or hockey).</p>
<p>rainmama: Info on Videos:
We have had three coaches tell us they do not like videos. All said anyone could look good on a highlight video that you put together. They also said game tapes aren't the best as it is hard to assess the level of play of the teams.... A premier team playing a C2 for example. HOWEVER...that being said they did say they would review it. Instead they advocated attending a summer camp at the school if they lived far away so the coach could see them and the athlete could see how they feel about the school and coach. I'm sure it varies by sport and coach but I have one playing a sport at school and we never did film/videos and another currently being recruited. Coaches came to watch them at showcase events....never at HS.</p>
<p>Edit: A great idea for a sub forum!!!!</p>
<p>It also clearly depends on the sport. For a team athlete, highlight videos aren't necessarily an incredible tool. For students who play an individual sport (squash is the one I'm really familiar with) match tape can be very useful, though in those sports often rankings and head-to-head records (or race results, or erg splits, whatever the case may be) will give a coach a lot of what they need to know.</p>
<p>I would love to see a separate forum on Athletic Recruitment, possibly further separated into Div.1 and Div.3 recruiting, because there are many differences. I'm learning a lot from individual threads, but it would be better if they appear in a dedicated forum.</p>
<p>A specific question I have now about Ivy League recruting - if an athlete is recruited into Ivy League school, is he/she expected to put the sport first and academics second,like in all Div.1 schools, or is it more like in Div.3 schools, where academics come first? I'm asking this because Ivy League does not offer athletic scholarships, and doesn't "own" a student in that way (alhtough I know they give fin.aid/other awards often to compensate for lack of scholarships). But suppose the student gets nothing, or walks on, is it still the same?</p>
<p>Everyone agrees that highlight videos are a waste of time. However, when S was going through the process, any number of coaches told us that they wanted to seee 7-15 minute game videos .</p>
<p>Thanks for the replies on the videos! After posting, I was a bit embarrassed that it was off-topic, but it's really helpful to hear responses.</p>
<p>NorthMinnesota - D's team does the local/regional showcases, but lacks the interest in doing the big national ones, so she's not going to have that kind of access to most of the colleges she's interested in (NESCAC type schools). If my D really wants to go across the country for college, I think the soccer camps may be the best way for her to be seen.</p>
<p>NorthMinnesota - D's team does the local/regional showcases, but lacks the interest in doing the big national ones, so she's not going to have that kind of access to most of the colleges she's interested in (NESCAC type schools). If my D really wants to go across the country for college, I think the soccer camps may be the best way for her to be seen.</p>
<p>All college sports, even Division I, require the athlete to succeed in school. About twenty or thirty kids in the country are talented enough to skate through one year of school and then jump to the pros. The NCAA mandates academic progress by requiring certain grades and certain progress towards degree and any athlete who does not stay on track cannot compete until he/she is back on track. That said, the sports at D-I are very much year round and require the student to figure out how to be successful academically while basically holding down a full time job. Our family views it as if our son is working his way through college in an extremely demanding job. At the D-3 and Ivy level, practices are not always held out of season and the athletes are not, as you say, owned quite as much as the D-1 athletes. They typically get summers off, where the D-1 kids "volunteer" to work out nearly year round so they remain competitive. I think the Ivy league schools do not hold competitions during exam periods either. From what I can see with our own experiences and the kids of friends, D-3 and Ivy athletes do indeed get to put their academics on the front burner more than D-1. That said, playing intercollegiate sports is a great but demanding experience at every level. I know one kid, a walk on, who participated at a high D-1 program at a top 20 school and went on to be accepted at nearly every top law school in the country. It can be done at every level if the student athlete wants to do it.</p>
<p>Howard Cosell was right. We are in the throes of a jockocracy.</p>
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<p>Bessie, surely you are kidding. this is from USA Today last fall:
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<p>Sixteen of the football teams in this week's USA TODAY Coaches' Poll fell beneath the sport's overall average. The grad rate for defending national champion Texas was 40%, fourth lowest among the 118 schools in I-A. Ninth-ranked Georgia (with a 41% rate) and 20th-ranked California (44%) also were among the bottom 10.</p>
<p>Football's lowest: San Jose State (32%), Florida Atlantic (33%) and Arizona (39%)...</p>
<p>Men's basketball's lowest: New Mexico (7%), Florida A&M and Georgia (both 9%).</p>
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<p>If this is what you mean by "succeed" then what do you count as failure?</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but why should we care about whether Harvard brings in a few students who score in the bottom decile? </p>
<p>Look at it another way. Perhaps having a winning basketball team will improve the quality of Harvard's undergraduate life, which based on my readings on CC, is not the greatest.</p>
<p>Regular students should work as hard as college athletes do.</p>
<p>"A specific question I have now about Ivy League recruting - if an athlete is recruited into Ivy League school, is he/she expected to put the sport first and academics second,like in all Div.1 schools, or is it more like in Div.3 schools, where academics come first?"</p>
<p>A HYP coach told me that at his school academics absolutely come first, but added that if athetics helped the student get accepted then the student had an informal obligation to the coach/sport that helped him/her in.</p>
<p>tsdad, right on.</p>
<p>"If this is what you mean by "succeed" then what do you count as failure?"</p>
<p>Graduating at lower rates than students of the same race and economic class at the same university. By these measures, most athletes in D-1 programs are fantastically successful.</p>
<p>And, yes, some don't graduate. So? Many of these students never would have had a chance to attend at all without athletics. Every study I have seen indicates that students with "some college" do better in the income/job market than those without. Furthermore, MANY of these students will go back and complete their degrees later - I have many such colleagues in my agency.</p>
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<p>Because we never pass up a chance to complain about Harvard.</p>