Attending multiple CCs

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<p>I'm trying to fulfill as many of the recommended courses for UCB's EECS as possible but the thing is, there aren't any schools in my area (Cupertino) that offer all the strongly recommended courses. </p>

<p>The school I'm going to be attending in the fall, De Anza, doesn't offer CS61A, CS61C, EL ENG 20N, EL ENG 40 and CS70 and only offers partial CS61B. Because of this, I want to take these classes (or at least those that are offered) in other schools in the Bay Area. </p>

<p>However, I don't really know how to go about this. I know a combination of Laney and DVC can get me CS61A-C and I can take EL ENG 40 at Ohlone. AFAIK there are no schools (in the Bay Area at least) that offer CS70 or EL ENG 20N so I guess I will take them with Transfer Edge if I can get in to Berkeley. </p>

<p>So basically what I want to know is how well do course prerequisites transfer among CCCs (or example, DVC requires COMSC 165, is Laney's CIS 61 accepted as a credit)? Can I just take placement exams at one school and have those results be used with all the schools I'd be attending (like for the math prerequisites)? Time permitting, is my plan viable? How do I report my grades when I apply for transfer? Thanks for the help guys.</p>

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<p>CS 61 at Laney seems equivalent to CS 165 at DVC so you should be able to take the course at Laney and then take CS 210 and 260 at DVC. You need to take a prerequisite waiver form to DVC and get it evaluated. You may have to attach the course syllabus and class description as well but they may be familiar with courses from other CCs in the area.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.dvc.edu/pdfs/Prerequisite_Form.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dvc.edu/pdfs/Prerequisite_Form.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>For pre-reqs, if you’re having trouble getting them to clear with paperwork or the main office, try going directly to the professor or department office. Bring a (possibly unofficial) transcript and syllabus, explain the situation, and they can probably get you into the class. When I transferred to Foothill the admissions office was a nightmare, but department office cleared pre-reqs on the spot.</p>

<p>It’s also possible to transfer to Berkeley without all the strongly recommended classes. I’m EECS, graduating next semester. I couldn’t get 61ABC, CS70, EE20N, or EE40 to articulate. I did 61A and 61B over the summer through Transfer Edge, and caught up on most of the others next Fall. So if you are missing a couple lower divs (or all of them) don’t stress out too much. Oh, and be careful what you take over the summer, two technical classes can be quite a handful, and you’ll need a good summer GPA.</p>

<p>You can also do summer session at Berkeley if you’re not a student yet. Summer is open enrollment, so anyone can do it. So if you’re a freshman now, you could go do classes there this summer too, if you wanted.</p>

<p>Reporting grades for transfer: I forget what it looked like… I think that part’s obvious though. I had work from an OOS CC and Foothill, and the app didn’t give me any trouble. I wouldn’t worry about it.</p>

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<p>Thanks a bunch! </p>

<p>I actually didn’t know that Berkeley offered summer courses to anyone who wants to take them. I’ll probably end up getting CS70 done there the summer after freshman year. </p>

<p>@failure622, could you please tell me how you spread your courses throughout your stay in community college?</p>

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<p>kyxfy: My path was a bit… uh, messy. I’ll type it up for you anyways. :P</p>

<p>Started in Maryland, took: Math (Calc 2, discrete, linear, multivariate), Physics 1, CS1, English 1, Psych 1, Chem 1</p>

<p>Moved to California, went to Foothill CC. Took Physics 2 over the summer for logistical reasons (aka Foothill refusing to process paperwork)… around then is when I actually started planning for UCB (EECS) and the other UC pre-reqs… before then, I was following generic “CS probably wants this” and Maryland transfer requirements.</p>

<p>Went on to take: English 2+3 (quarters suck), diff eq, physics 3&4 (quarters), CS 2&3 (quarters…), stats, intro to C#, intro to circuits + lab (useless)… possibly one more class, I forget. I had 3 or 4 classes per quarter, usually 16-20 units.</p>

<p>After that, I transferred. There was some guessing on articulations for the first year.
Summer session: 61A, 61BL (Tricky combination, HUGE time commitment)
Fall: 61C, CS70, EE20N, upper div AC
Spring: 2 upper div CS, upper div humanities/ethics</p>

<p>Summer session: EE40 (I hate circuits) and GSI for a CS class
Fall: 3 upper div CS classes, a CS seminar, and research
Spring (PL): a humanities, 2 upper div CS, possibly an upper div EE, and continuing with research</p>

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<p>Obviously I wouldn’t suggest following that to the letter, it’s not a perfect plan, some semesters/quarters were rough. But even with a lot of missing pre-reqs, it’s still possible to fit them all in and have relatively light workloads. The more you get done ahead of time, the better, of course. It looks good to admissions, more scheduling flexibility, and gives you time to take more upper div classes.</p>

<p>My goal was usually just to take as many requirements as I could. More emphasis was placed on pre-reqs and things that fit multiple requirements. Of course, I also had back-up schools in mind (UCSC, UCI, UCSD), so I was aiming to complete those pre-reqs as well.</p>

<p>If you’re worried about running out of time, try drawing it out. The [degree</a> worksheet](<a href=“http://coe.berkeley.edu/students/current-undergraduates/curriculum-degree-checks/EECS%202010-2013.pdf]degree”>http://coe.berkeley.edu/students/current-undergraduates/curriculum-degree-checks/EECS%202010-2013.pdf) is a good summary of requirements… write out the semesters/quarters you’ve got, see how things fit. That’s not to say you should make a concrete plan and follow it to the letter, or that you shouldn’t try to find the EECS pre-reqs (still a great idea!), but it can give you a better idea of timing, numbers of units, how important it is to do classes at a certain time, etc… and it makes it all a bit less overwhelming.</p>

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<p>I’m doing that right now which raises a question… When do I have to have all my required courses done by? I know UCB is super anal about having all the required core courses done before they even consider you. If it works like I think it works, I think I’m gonna have to spend 2 years in CC before I can even apply since I don’t have any AP credits for calculus.</p>

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<p>Laney CIS 61 is not the same as Diablo Valley COMSC 165.</p>

<p>Diablo Valley COMSC 165 is a C and C++ programming course:
[Diablo</a> Valley College, Computer Science Department, COMSC 165](<a href=“http://cs.dvc.edu/fa2013/comsc165/3015_syllabus.jsp]Diablo”>http://cs.dvc.edu/fa2013/comsc165/3015_syllabus.jsp)
Knowledge of C and C++ programming from self-education or courses elsewhere (e.g. some of De Anza CIS 22A/22B/26A/26B/27/29) should be sufficient for you to take courses that otherwise specify Diablo Valley COMSC 165, unless school policy has administrative enforcement of prerequisites.</p>

<p>Laney CIS 61 is a copy of Berkeley CS 61A (not sure if they are still following the old Scheme-based version that is still used for the self-paced CS 61AS or the new Python-based version). See the Berkeley course pages for information:
[CS61AS:</a> Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs](<a href=“http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61as/sp13/]CS61AS:”>CS61AS: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs)
[CS</a> 61A Fall 2013: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs](<a href=“http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61a/fa13/]CS”>CS 61A Fall 2013: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs)</p>

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<p>Many students do transfer to Berkeley EECS or L&S CS missing some or all of the CS/EE prerequisites, since they are not widely available. However, the more you complete before transfer, the less “catch up” you have to do, and the less crowded your schedule at Berkeley will be with required CS/EE courses, allowing more space for free electives, or scheduling high workload courses so that they are not all in the same semester.</p>

<p>Note that if you primary focus is on CS, you may wish to consider L&S CS. It has one fewer lower division EE prerequisite (you can take either EE 40 or 20N for L&S CS, versus both for EECS), which can reduce the schedule crowding.</p>

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<p>Berkeley CS 70 includes both discrete math (De Anza Math 22) and calculus-based probability theory. It is the latter topics that probably do not exist at any CC (De Anza Math 23 maybe, if they ever offer that course again).</p>

<p>Here are Berkeley EECS course web sites if you want to look through the topics of each course:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/classes-eecs.html[/url]”>http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/classes-eecs.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Should I mention that I took De Anza Math 22 on the myBerkeley prerequisites form?</p>

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<p>I’m planning on calling DeAnza/DVC tomorrow (if they’re open) to ask about it but in case if anyone has done it before, is it possible to transfer after two years (including the year where you apply) if you don’t have AP credit?</p>

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<p>underbear: It wouldn’t hurt if you wanted to mention it, just don’t mark it as being an official CS70 articulation or something like that.</p>

<p>kyxyfy: Of course it’s possible, so long as you’ve got 60+ (semester) UC-transferable units by the time you plan to transfer. I haven’t done it personally (I had Calc AB and CS A), but why wouldn’t it be possible?</p>

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<p>Yes, if you choose your courses carefully and take full loads of 15+ units (and don’t go to an overflowing CC where you cannot get into the courses). Take all possible articulated prerequisites, and complete as many breadth courses as you can (IGETC for L&S CS, at least two additional H/SS courses for EECS; check other campuses and majors as well).</p>

<p>Of course, it may be more difficult if you are trying to complete courses for several different campuses and majors that have different requirements, so you may need more than 60 semester or 90 quarter units of CC courses to cover all of them.</p>

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<p>Oh, okay. Whew! I was under the impression that I had to have all the required core courses done by the time I applied (Math 1A/1B/53/54, Physics 7A/7B/7C, English R1A and R1B) and it doesn’t look possible to do that in just one year at De Anza at least.</p>

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<p>^ You probably do. failure622 have all that done when he transferred. You should be prepared to spend 2 or maybe 3 years at CC instead of 1.</p>

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<p>Nah, I know I have to have to have the courses I listed by the time I transfer. I’m prepared to spend a minimum of 2 years in CC but I’m just confused about whether or not I have to have the required courses done by the time I apply which would be the fall of my second year at CC since I heard that UCs will not even consider you for the major if you don’t have them done which is also why I asked failure622 about how he spread his classes.</p>

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<p>You should have them all done by the spring before you transfer.</p>

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<p>Much appreciated! That makes me feel a lot more optimistic.</p>

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<p>Some of the courses can be in progress through the spring quarter or semester (but not summer). For Berkeley EECS, your first year schedule should include Math 1A, 1B and Physics 7A, and probably English R1A, R1B. You should have in progress in your second year (when you apply) Math 53, 54 and Physics 7B, 7C. Any available CS and EE courses for CS 61A, 61B, 61C and EE 40 should be taken as well.</p>

<p>If you apply for Berkeley EECS, you do want to complete at least two additional humanities or social studies courses, preferably in subjects that you also would like to take upper division humanities or social studies courses, since Berkeley engineering requires at least two upper division humanities or social studies courses, including at least one in the same department as one of your other courses.</p>

<p>It is also preferable if one of your humanities or social studies courses fulfills Berkeley’s American cultures requirement if you want to go to Berkeley. Fortunately, De Anza does have some courses that do so:
[ASSIST</a> Report: DAC 13-14 UCB GE/Breadth Articulation Agreement](<a href=“http://web1.assist.org/web-assist/report.do?agreement=aa&reportPath=REPORT_2&reportScript=Rep2.pl&event=21&dir=1&sia=DAC&ria=UCB&ia=DAC&oia=UCB&aay=13-14&ay=13-14&dora=AMCULT]ASSIST”>http://web1.assist.org/web-assist/report.do?agreement=aa&reportPath=REPORT_2&reportScript=Rep2.pl&event=21&dir=1&sia=DAC&ria=UCB&ia=DAC&oia=UCB&aay=13-14&ay=13-14&dora=AMCULT)
So does its sister CC, Foothill:
[ASSIST</a> Report: FOOTHILL 13-14 UCB GE/Breadth Articulation Agreement](<a href=“http://web1.assist.org/web-assist/report.do?agreement=aa&reportPath=REPORT_2&reportScript=Rep2.pl&event=21&dir=1&sia=FOOTHILL&ria=UCB&ia=FOOTHILL&oia=UCB&aay=13-14&ay=13-14&dora=AMCULT]ASSIST”>http://web1.assist.org/web-assist/report.do?agreement=aa&reportPath=REPORT_2&reportScript=Rep2.pl&event=21&dir=1&sia=FOOTHILL&ria=UCB&ia=FOOTHILL&oia=UCB&aay=13-14&ay=13-14&dora=AMCULT)</p>