Audition Experiences - Fall 2011

<p>@stradmom - Glad to hear that someone had a good experience at Peabody! </p>

<p>D’s final audition for Jazz Voice was at The New School of Jazz and Contemporary Music.</p>

<p>We arrived the day before the audition and had a tour of the school including sitting in on an ensemble lesson. We also got to know the admissions officer, who was probably the nicest admissions officer that we met at any school. We learned that they have just over 40 jazz voice students out of about 300 total jazz students.</p>

<p>We splurged and stayed in New York City at a very cute boutique hotel called The Marcel on Gramercy and went to dinner at The Jazz Standard.</p>

<p>At the audition, D sang all 3 songs with a live rhythm section. There was no written theory test despite what the admissions material said. She had a lengthy interview with the same admissions officer that we met the day before. </p>

<p>D is relieved to be done with auditions. Now we wait for the results…</p>

<p>Congrats to your D on being done with auditions and best of luck. We’re now waiting too. By any chance, did you see Fred Hersch at the Jazz Standard? He was pretty amazing.</p>

<p>I think that some audition panels confuse or conflate coldness with objectivity. In their attempts to project a disinterested objectivity, they send signals that many students interpret as an uninterested coldness. Most of my son’s auditions were very formal with little or no response during the audition. After the audition many of the panelists were very warm and friendly when he happened to meet them in the hallways etc… I would caution against reading too much into the panelists’ behavior during auditions. If you can get a trial/sample lesson with a teacher, you will probably get a much better impression of their degree of warmth/coldness. </p>

<p>For most students, the audition is the time when they have most of their contact with faculty; schools should learn to market themselves during this time; having faculty texting, reading the paper, or nodding off during auditions is not good marketing to the auditioning high school students.</p>

<p>Having just completed the audition process ( Thank god it’s over!) I strongly suggest the following: Arrive a day early and audit classes, meet teachers, take a lesson if you can within your department. You will learn a lot more about the program that way and some " face time" never hurts when the professors are considering hundreds of applicants. </p>

<p>Check in early on audition day. Go warm up early in the morning while everyone else is looking for coffee. My daughter got her voice moving early in the morning when we arrived and practice rooms were free. Later, all she had to do was a quick tune up- which was good because there were long lines and chaos later in the day.</p>

<p>Don’t expect too much on audition day. The days we went they were auditioning 100 plus vocalists per day at 10-20 minute intervals. The professors don’t have time to do much on these days.</p>

<p>Plan for a variety of spaces - small with people sitting 2 feet from your knees, large recital halls with people sitting in the back behind lights with a video set up and everything in between.</p>

<p>Arrive early and be ready to go early - people don’t show up and you may be called to go sooner than expected. Don’t be the ditzy soprano who followed my daughter and was still filling out her audition form when the accompanist came out to get her for a pre-audtion confab re tempo etc… Be ready and on time.</p>

<p>Do not wear anything that qualifies you for a reality show on VH1. You would be amazed at some of the outfits ( or lack therof) vocalists show up in. None of the professors I met seemed like they would be remotely impressed by anyone’s cleavage or spike heels.</p>

<p>Don’t get too discouraged - most music schools are very competitive from what I can see - esp for female voice, strings, piano and horn. Getting in anywhere probably means you have the capacity to succeed - the rest is up to you and maybe luck.</p>

<p>Hopedoc, That’s a good post. Lots of good information and advice.</p>

<p>@jazzpianodad - yes, we saw Fred Hersh and Julian Lage. They were terrific. It was wonderful that D got to see live jazz as we made our audition tour. The food was pretty good too (they are known for their barbeque) and our server made sure that D got a student discount on the cover charge.</p>

<p>In each city I tried to scope out a few restaurants in advance and see some live Jazz. That worked out pretty well for us.</p>

<p>Good luck to you and your student, too!</p>

<p>Cambridge Mom I felt the same way my experience at Peabody was so bad that even if they accept me I decided not to go there, fortunately I was accepted at my dream school Belmont University and also at Suny Purchase a school that I love because the panel was so supportive and it has great teachers</p>

<p>Hopedoc, Great advice. Some of us here are lurking and collecting info for the future! Thanks -</p>

<p>We have been helped by CC and wanted to pass on D’s experiences. She is applying for MM in violin performance. She took a year off after her bachelor’s degree to devote to preparing pre-screening recordings and auditions which has been very helpful. Not worrying about missing school was also very convenient. She was not accepted for auditions at Yale, U of Mich, and IU. She and her mom took the train to avoid possible weather delays with other forms of transportation. Train reservations made in Jan. (as soon as we heard back from all the schools) also gave a 25% winter discount. The following 6 auditions took place over 12 days, mostly allowing to arrive 1-3 days ahead of time and get settled in. If you can stay the night of the audition, it avoids hauling all your luggage to the school (the motels were good about storing luggage if you did not mind going back for it). No questions were asked during any of the auditions.</p>

<p>CIM - Advice to stay at the Glidden House was spot-on. Nice, and close by. The nearby Silver Spartan Diner is a fun 50’s type place. The auditions were well run. There were 4 faculty that heard parts of 1. Concerto mvmt 2. 2 Bach mvmts. The 4 part dictation test was listening to a recording, not live, and took about 20 min. The general music test could take over 2 hours. School is in a nice area.</p>

<p>Peabody - Mt. Vernon Hotel is nearby, clean, not expensive, and allows practicing. Peabody Inn is on campus, also good, least expensive, and does not allow practicing. Signs are posted everywhere. (Using a hotel mute for 2 days in the bathroom, however, did not bring the wrath of hall monitor.) The campus is enclosed and quite nice. A person sleeping under a bench a block away was not a welcome sight. We recommend utilizing the on-campus cafeteria, especially if staying at the Peabody Inn. The audition had 4 faculty asking for 1. Concerto mvmt and 2. 2 Bach mvmts. The GRTT and the dictation were not terribly hard and took about 45 and 30 min. respectively. Dorm tour was helpful. You have to compete with current students after 7pm for practice rooms.</p>

<p>NEC - Charlesmark Hotel is less than a mile away and in a nice neighborhood. Great rooms (but small) for a budget price. Joe’s American Bar & Grill is around the corner. The school is in an older but decent neighborhood. No tests. Audition was for 7 faculty hearing 1. Fast & slow concerto mvmts 2. 2 Bach mvmts 3. Beethoven sonata mvmt 4. Paganini. Practice rooms available before playing. </p>

<p>For all NY schools we found Hotel Newton to be centrally located, nice rooms, great rates (for NYC), and helpful staff. The NY schools all require accompanist, which was tricky, but very helpful, to schedule a practice session with. They were all excellent and willing to offer some time to practice together (for a fee, which we expected). You can save by using the subway or buses, but we used taxis.</p>

<p>Manhattan - Nice area. Practice rooms were hard to come by for many, not so much for D. A separate room is available for 10 min before audition. No tests. Audition was for 8 faculty: 1. Concerto mvmt 2. 2 Bach mvmts.</p>

<p>Mannes - In a good residential area. Dorms are a few miles away, not next door like all other schools. The tour took you there via subway, which was helpful. Tests start at 4:45 each day and can be taken on a day other than your audition day, if you ask. A 3-part dictation takes about 45 min and music exam can take more than an hour. Right after these, she had an interview that told her her test (not audition) results and what theory classes she would be starting with. A proctor helps get a practice room before your audition. The audition had 8 faculty: 1. Fast & slow concerto mvmts 2. 2 Bach mvmts.</p>

<p>Juilliard - Very nice area, of course. No tests. Plenty of practice rooms, but had to hunt one down. Also had separate practice room for 10 min before audition. Faculty of 10: 1. 2 concerto mvmts 2. 1 Bach mvmt.</p>

<p>My trombonist daughter auditioned at Manhattan School of Music, Blair School of Music at Vanderbilt University, University of Houston Moores School of Music, Texas State University at San Marcos and UT Austin Butler School of Music.</p>

<p>All the auditions were different. At MSM (her final audition), no assigned practice rooms which definitely contributed to a somewhat tense atmosphere, but she eventually found one. The auditions were running about 20 mins behind and were in front of a full panel of about 5 brass instructors. No theory tests. They had an orientation session about financial aid and admissions for the parents at the dorms, which are around the corner and extremely nice. There were dorm tours available too. I thought she might be nervous for this audition, but she played very, very well from what I could hear through the door (the kid waiting next to me said sort of glumly to his mom, “She’s doing a really good job” about her Hindemith excerpt). Interestingly enough, after hearing both of the contrasting orchestral excerpts she had prepared, they did not ask her to play the solo. Don’t know if that’s good or bad? Per Brevig asked her where she came from and commented, “You have come a long way to play here!” and was very friendly and gracious, she said. He commented, “Nice job” and smiled after each one of her excerpts - perhaps he is just polite, or truly enjoyed it, who knows? She felt very good afterward, like she could not have played better. What impressed me about MSM was their career development counselor, whose job is to help kids find music work, all during their time at MSM, and beyond. The emphasis is on becoming a working musician, and I like the fact that they emphasize getting gigs outside the school as part of that, not just the instruction. The neighborhood is wonderful, and my sister lives not far away, on the upper west side. It has a good feeling to the place, and she liked it a lot.</p>

<p>Blair School of Music was definitely the friendliest and most welcoming of all the music schools - perhaps because it is one of the smallest. All auditioning students were assigned a practice room and were given a tour of the building by a student volunteer. They had a lovely dinner for students and their families at the University Club, which featured a very impressive student string quartet playing, plus a student concert that night (we didn’t attend, as we had plans with our Nashville hosts). Her audition was in front of the low brass faculty, and she said it went well. The trombone professor, Lawrence Borden, asked us to stick around after the 2nd trombonist of the day auditioned (only two that weekend, the last of the audition season), since he said he liked to talk to both students and their parents about studying in his trombone studio. He is a very interesting man and has a unique approach to the study of the trombone and music in general: [url=&lt;a href=“http://www.vanderbilt.edu/trombonestudio/Text_Documents/Doctrine_of_Intent.htm]Doctrine_of_Intent[/url”&gt;http://www.vanderbilt.edu/trombonestudio/Text_Documents/Doctrine_of_Intent.htm]Doctrine_of_Intent[/url</a>]
Blair certainly had the most welcoming students. Nearly the entire trombone studio came down to the lounge area between their classes to meet my daughter - they wanted to meet the “girl trombonist” auditioning. They were very easy to talk to and made my daughter feel welcome. I talked to them about where they had come from, how they liked the school and their experiences there. They all had very positive things to say about Vanderbilt in general and Blair in particular. Daughter also got to sit in on a class (Latin American Music, an elective) and took a theory test that was surprisingly tough. We took a tour of the campus the next day and she was very impressed. She could definitely see herself going there, but it is a tough admit because of the academics, which are given big priority.</p>

<p>U of Houston’s Moores School was another pleasant surprise – a really first rate modern music school with an incredible concert hall. She played well in front of a low brass panel, and they seemed to like her quite a lot – one professor was humming the Hindemith excerpt and smiling when she saw him again a few minutes later. The head of the low brass came out afterward to give us his card and said to call if we had any questions. He also sought her out again later and encouraged her to apply to the school’s honors program, as there is additional scholarship money available through this program. The campus itself is quite large and very modern, but does butt up against a poor neighborhood, so one might feel a little trapped on campus without a car, I would imagine. Unlike the other campuses we saw, you couldn’t really wander off into city neighborhood nearby. Many of the professors are in the Houston Symphony.</p>

<p>First audition of the year was at UT Austin. It was a strange audition for her – she played only in front of the trombone professor, Dr. Brickens and the room was somewhat acoustically dead. She felt that she didn’t do her best, even though she had played there last year at the ITF and felt comfortable with the school and Dr. Brickens. They had a welcoming session for the auditioners and their families, where the trombone choir (who are wonderful) played. In a way, it was too bad that this was her first audition, since she has learned so much with each one. She found out a couple weeks later that she did not make it into Butler or UT Austin, and this had been her first choice up until a few months ago. C’est la vie! </p>

<p>Last audition was also local, at Texas State University in San Marcos. There were a lot of kids auditioning that day – it was super crowded. There was a theory placement test and aural skills test given. She auditioned for the two trombone professors, and felt she played very well. She had been encouraged to audition there by trombone prof Dr. McCain after she played at a regional concert there last. He has been in contact with her ever since, heavily recruiting her for his trombone studio. He contacted her after the audition, saying she had played well and that she would be welcome in his studio, and also offering to give her a sample lesson. She also heard from the head of the trombone dept, who complimented her on the audition and offered to send her a DVD of the audition video they make of each student. She also received official acceptance into the program. </p>

<p>So, now the waiting game begins. I think her first choice would be Manhattan, then Blair, then U of Houston. Texas State would be wonderful if she were pursuing jazz, as their jazz prof Freddie Mendoza is amazing, and I think she would get a lot out of the school if it became the only option, but it is local and familiar and not as strong symphonically as the other schools. She has only become really focused on her playing in the last couple of years, so does not have the kind of summer experiences and years of intense career-motivated study that some others bring to the table – on the other hand, I hear a maturity and soulfulness in her playing this past year that is very gratifying. I think she will progress a lot during the next four years regardless of where she ends up, since each school offers a fine program of study for trombone.</p>

<p>I am in Piano performance…I applied and Auditioned to Rice, U of Mich, USC, and Jacobs. I had a great time auditioning, and all 4 went really well. I stayed away from any of the other students, and would not listen as they audition. I found that walking around for me helped. </p>

<p>I visited each school at least two times, I found that it made me feel more at home. I also took a lesson from each teacher that I was looking to work with…this gave me a known face to look at. </p>

<p>I was very comfortable in my attitude. I was told by my teacher (who is a Professor at UC) not to cry or crack if I make a mistake…to just keep on playing…it was about how I recovered, not that I made a mistake.</p>

<p>I also wore all black, long skirt, black top, hose and black shoes. I was told to treat it as a job interview. So I did.</p>

<p>I was accepted into Jacobs, USC, and wait-listed at Mich. I did not get into Rice, but that was more due to not have a high enough GPA and a low ACT for Rice (I have a 3.897 with a ACT of 30)</p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>The audition process for undergraduate voice at Juilliard changed this year. I thought it would be helpful for next year’s applicants to understand how it works. As of last year, students who had passed the prescreen process were invited to audition at a given time. Then, they were all asked to wait in the vicinity until about 10 pm to find out if they were invited to a callback. The callbacks were not singing auditions, but instead involved music theory tests, etc. </p>

<p>This year, everyone who passed the prescreen process was invited to audition and also do the music theory test, a musical interview (which involved sight singing) and a diction test (a coaching). In addition, the students at Juilliard precollege no longer have to send in prescreen dvds; they are automatically granted an audition. Anecdotally, I heard that fewer students were invited to audition for voice at Juilliard because of the changed procedures, but I can’t say for sure.</p>

<p>The audition is the first thing on the singer’s schedule on the audition day and the entire voice faculty attends. After the audition, the applicants have specific times for the coaching and musical interview, while the music theory test can be taken any time that day. The whole process takes about two hours. We found the information on College Confidential to be invaluable for understanding the audition process – Good luck to next year’s music majors!</p>

<p>wundone1 - </p>

<p>Thanks for mentioning the change in the Juilliard voice auditions. My D will (hopefully) be auditioning there next year. While she has done quite a lot of research about the audition process already, and has been able to glean insight from several vocalist friends who attend, we had no idea the procedure had been altered! Thanks for the heads-up. </p>

<p>Just a quick question for you or anyone else who experienced the audition process this year: did you find that it helped your cause, by allowing the faculty to take into account the demonstration of your abilities in areas such as theory and sightreading before making a decision, or do you feel it worked against applicants? Of course, I’m sure this depends on one’s own musical strengths and weaknesses, but I’m curious as to what you and others may have to say.</p>

<p>IUPA- my D was told that GPA doesn’t matter at Rice, as long as it is above a 3.0, the main admissions doesn’t really even look at the app.</p>

<p>wundone1, That’s interesting about Jyard’s change of audition procedure for voice students. I heard that the requirements for cello changed this year, as did the procedure for pre-college admissions. Perhaps this is true for procedure or criteria in other disciplines as well. A reminder that one should always double and triple check the requirements on a school’s website, as they do sometimes change. </p>

<p>It’s interesting that the voice students in Pre-College no longer have to send in DVDs for prescreening. In the past, I was surprised that they needed to do so (the instrumentalists don’t) because they have been screened at Juilliard more recently than most of the instrumentalists, many of whom audition for Pre-College while still in elementary school.</p>

<p>OperaMama: Some schools tell you outright that the music theory test is for placement purposes only. That was not the case at Juilliard. Clearly, the testing they do post-audition is considered along with the audition. Since they take only 8 to 10 vocalists per year, they can afford to choose students with highly developed voices who are also well trained in music theory. A significant number of the vocalists who get in to Juilliard attended a precollege program or a performing arts boarding school. But not many vocalists have the resources and/or the physical development to be highly developed singers at age 17, so that should not discourage other students from applying – some can and do get in without a specialized school in their background. However, I doubt someone could get in if he or she really could not manage the testing at all. It’s important to know this for purposes of using your time and energy wisely during audition season. Most importantly, of course, is to find the right teacher, regardless of the name of the school.</p>

<p>Good to know, wundone1. I assumed, knowing just how competitive a top school like Juilliard is, that the theory portion would be important as well. Luckily, D does attend a performing arts school where she has taken theory courses since ninth grade. It is by no means a great passion of hers, but she knows only complete musicianship will get her to where she wants to go, so she works hard and seems to have done well. </p>

<p>I completely agree about the teacher being the most important factor. D and I have known several classmates who have gone on to prestigious schools based on little more than the name, only to be very unhappy and transfer out later. It’s not a good situation. But D has worked with a teacher at her top choice school several times now and is marvelously happy with what the teacher has been doing. so, luckily, thus far things seem to be going very well on that front. whew!</p>

<p>HI, my daughter was accepted into the vocal program at SUNY Purchase. can you tell me about it? domyounlike the program, professors, lessons, classes ,etc?
thanks</p>