<p>Thanks- I am most glad that the "pressure" of the LSAT's is behind her. I think she will be able to enjoy her semester abroad more as she will have one less thing to worry about.</p>
<p>And Congratulations to you Hayden. I just saw on the parents board that your son just got an acceptance to Georgetown Law. That is wonderful news. </p>
<p>I am sure Georgetown is one of the schools my d will be applying to.</p>
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<p>it is misleading because if you interpret it that way, it is wrong. if you enter 3.96 and 175 you get 75th percentile for yale, and they are basing that off of 3.96 being 75th gpa percentile and 175 being 75th lsat percentile separately.</p>
<p>marny1 - thanks! That was so nice of you to notice. Yes, we'll be celebrating tonight, that's for sure. Gtown was his first choice, by a wide margin. We're really, really thrilled.</p>
<p>Best of luck to your daughter. It's such a huge weight off our shoulders, not to have to watch him check the mail anymore. I hope she gets in to her first choice school.</p>
<p>Congrats to your son hayden!</p>
<p>I hope to apply to GULC, but we'll see whether I actually get in. Haha.</p>
<p>Marny,</p>
<p>Congrats to your D for doing once and doing it well. I am sure there is now a load of pressure off and she can go off on her study abroad leaving this paret behind her (in my house we will be waiting for the feb. exam)</p>
<p>hayden,</p>
<p>Congrats to your son on Gtown!! great holiday gift and a wonderful way to end the year. I am sure that more are coming.</p>
<p>The LSAC Data Search strikes me as really being the best probability-estimating tool.</p>
<p>And the thing is that .4 GPA points may compensate for 4 LSAT points -- but that's a HUGE gap in GPA and a relatively smaller one on the LSAT.</p>
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<p>Chiashu is based on the LSAC data.</p>
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<p>Not according to chiashu.</p>
<p>How much do "soft" factors figure into Law School admissions process?</p>
<p>D just got LSAT score - 173. Has a 3.68 GPA from HYP (one of those) and is currently in an Ivy Grad school (one year program) where her GPA should be much higher. She has many impressive internships and has been published in two academic journals. How will these accomplishments - and a high grad school GPA impact her admissionability to top schools?</p>
<p>You can also go to the LSAC website, and click on the list of all ABA-approved schools. A few clicks down, and you can get to the "about the school" site, for each law school. On the bottom right of the 2-page overview of the school, you'll see for most of the schools a grid, which stratifies the acceptances. For instance, applicants to Duke, who score between 3.5 and 3.74 gpa, and 165 - 169 LSAT, have a about a 50% chance of getting in. I don't know if these numbers are right, but they're just an estimate I remember when my S last showed me the site. That can help you figure out your own chances according to the entire applicant pool, according to the school itself. Not all schools include this grid, but many do.</p>
<p>to add on to Hayden's response:</p>
<p>her lsac gpa will not include any of her grad school courses although she will still submit her grad school transcript (they only take courses up to your first undergrad degree). Yes, she does have very impressive soft factors, and may get a boost at HY if she attended their undergrad programs. That being said remember almost just like undergrad, law schools are looking to build a class.</p>
<p>I remember finding that Chiashu and LSAC gave me different outputs -- I believe it was due to Chiashu being older (2004).</p>
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<p>She will likely be accepted at very school but HYS. For HYS, anything could happen, though I would bet that she is in at H. She has a chance at Y because of her post-graduate experience, which Yale likes. She should apply anywhere and see what happens:)</p>
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<p>I don't think that is true anymore. The creator talks about his source and method in the forums. You could always send him an e-mail if you want more detail.</p>
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<p>That really isn't true to the same extent it is in undergrad--not even close. Law schools don't have athletic teams, nobody cares if the law school orchestra can't find a good oboist, there's no such thing as "underutlized" or unusual majors. Geographic diversity still plays a bit of a role at top schools and it helps to be a URM. But it's pretty much 80% about two numbers--gpa and LSAT. The further down the rankings pole you go, the truer that is.</p>
<p>One other factor--when she applies. If she hasn't already registered with LSDAS and intends to start school in September, she should do so immediately. It takes quite a while for LSDAS to calculate gpas and do the other ministerial tasks. The later her application goes in, the worse her chances.</p>
<p>Thanks all. </p>
<p>She is not applying to Law school this year. Will finish grad school in May and off to a gap year internship for next year. She'll be applying next year - and according to her, as early in the admission cycle as possible.</p>
<p>Wow! all the responces are great. I havent been here in a while but now that I am back, im wondering how can someone get a high score on the LSAT?</p>
<p>Do people just go off and buy those prep LSAT books and study hardcore on them? are the LSAT the same as the SAT? or totally different? and does the LSAT have questions that deal with laws or something?</p>
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<p>It varies from person to person. I know a math and physics major who suddenly decided he wanted to go to law school, took the online practice test, and then went straight in and scored a 177. I know another person who just took twenty practice tests and scored a 177. I know another person who started in the low 160s, but studied for a couple months and ended up getting a 174.</p>
<p>The LSAT tests your ability to reason logically. The questions are, thus, logical and can encompass any subject: I've read questions ranging from the effects of gamma interferon inducement on multiple sclerosis to legal philosophy. The questions don't test your knowledge of the subject matter; they test your ability to abstract from a given description and to reason about it even if that description is completely foreign.</p>
<p>nsped- it's great to be so optimistic about the LSAT process, but 95% score below 167 on the exam. And a good % of test takers get in the 150's. You must hang out with a group who for whatever reason does really well on LSAT's.
Mojo-- LSAT's are different than SAT's and the test will be changing a bit starting 6/07. New material on the LSAC website will be made available in 2/07.<br>
Some kids do self study- others like the security of a prep class.<br>
A lot of people like Testmasters and Powerscore. My kid was satisfied with Kaplan. She's big on self study and used Kaplan to guide her.<br>
Good luck.</p>
<p>Sybbie- Thanks for your good wishes and Lots of luck to your d on her LSAT's.<br>
Now it's time to get the books to help us through the application process. I'll be doing some reading up on it while d's abroad.
Cosmo- your kid has the stats to get in almost anywhere. Good luck to her.</p>
<p>thanks for the info! it sounds better than the SAT already haha</p>
<p>Sybbie, I recomend Anna Ivey's text:)</p>
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<p>You are probably right, but it still demonstrates that people have different methods!</p>
<p>Your daughter is just below the median for GULC (169). She should have a pretty good shot, depending on her GPA (the median of which is a 3.71 for GULC). Good luck to her:)</p>