<p>where can i get this information?</p>
<p>like for harvard law, what is the typical LSAT score?</p>
<p>you wont get in.</p>
<p>thanks for the info nspeds!</p>
<p>holden, i dont care! i was just asking for information, damn foo!</p>
<p>To have a good shot at Harvard Law School, either your LSAT or GPA should be in the upper-quartile of accepted students, or both. If only one is in the upper-quartile, the other should be above the upper-half of accepted students.</p>
<p>(This is what I have gathered)</p>
<p>Once you have more specific numbers, plug them into <a href="http://www.chiasu.com%5B/url%5D">www.chiasu.com</a> or <a href="http://www.lawschoolstats.com%5B/url%5D">www.lawschoolstats.com</a> to see where you stand.</p>
<p>wow! that was really helpful! thanks!</p>
<p>Whoops, I mistyped "Chiasu."</p>
<p>It's <a href="http://www.chiashu.com%5B/url%5D">www.chiashu.com</a></p>
<p>Also check out Internet Legal Research Group. It seems they keep raw data info. <a href="http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law%5B/url%5D">www.ilrg.com/rankings/law</a>
You can play around with the different column headings to get the info you want.
My educated guess is that if you can get in the top 5% on the LSAT's (167) and your grades are at least 3.6, you have a shot at a T-14 if you choose the school wisely and get the application in early- you probably won't get into HYS, but you have a chance at some of the other top schools.
For the T-14 schools, the LSAT Low (25%) ranges from 164 at Boalt (Berkley) to 170 at Harvard. Even Stanford's "low LSAT" is 167 as is UVA, Northwestern, and Georgetown. So that means 25% of the admitted students got less than a 167 on the LSAT's for these schools.<br>
My d just got her December score- it's within the top 5% range. She's ecstatic because she'll never have to take the LSAT's again.
Good luck to all!!</p>
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So that means 25% of the admitted students got less than a 167 on the LSAT's for these schools.
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<p>Yes, but unless you are a URM or have another hook, it's not a good idea to be in the bottom quartile.</p>
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it's within the top 5% range. She's ecstatic because she'll never have to take the LSAT's again.
Good luck to all!!
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<p>Congrats to her!!!:)</p>
<p>So where does she plan on applying, then?</p>
<p>She's not sure. Right now she's chilling out- and thinking of shopping for clothes as she'll be doing a semester abroad. Sleep and shopping are her main priorities right now. I think that was her main reason to take the LSAT in Dec. and get it out of the way. She really is not even sure if she wants to do Law school right after graduation but at least she's done with LSAT's.<br>
She's a NY kid, so my guess is she'll do the "usual" group of schools in the NY to DC area. I hate to call any school a safety, but if the T-14's do not come through, I am pretty sure she'll get into Fordham, GW and Cardoza/Brooklyn if that is where she wants to apply.</p>
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So that means 25% of the admitted students got less than a 167 on the LSAT's for these schools.
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<p>Large number of these students probably have high GPA to compensate. You never know. :)</p>
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Large number of these students probably have high GPA to compensate. You never know.
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<p>Most probably not. A good GPA can only help so much.</p>
<p>The bottom quartile comprises students who have a really good reason to attend. Usually, before tossing the applications in the reject pile, adcoms look glance through them for Pullitzer prizes, Rhodes Scholars, Marshalls, and so forth. That should give you a good idea of what it takes to get out of the bottom.</p>
<p>just to remind people that the <a href="http://www.lawschoolstats.com%5B/url%5D">www.lawschoolstats.com</a> calculator is misleading. it takes gpa/lsat data separately but acts as if yours are together by giving you one percentile number and one bar.</p>
<p>Sreis,</p>
<p>I think the creator intended for the single bar to represent your overall percentile within the accepted-students pool. Chiashu does the same thing: though it also provides individual percentiles for both the LSAT and the GPA, it also provides an overall percentile representing where you stand within the pool of accepted students. Using this tool, one can find out whether schools value LSAT over GPA (and vice versa), even if they only do so marginally.</p>
<p>For instance, a 3.83 with a 175 has roughly the same percentile as a 3.89 with a 174 for HLS, if I'm not mistaken. This demonstrates that, for at least a 3.83, every point increase in the LSAT counts much more than every .01 increase of the GPA.</p>
<p>At the top of the page, lawschoolstats states:
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Enter your GPA and LSAT to find out where your index score falls in each law school's range
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<p>If you click on the "index" hyperlink, which is indicated as such on the actual page, you arrive at the following page:
<a href="http://www.uiowa.edu/%7E030116/prelaw/adminstart.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.uiowa.edu/~030116/prelaw/adminstart.htm</a></p>
<p>I was a bit curious so I played around with lawschoolstats.com using 4 different scienarios-
3.4 GPA 171 LSAT
3.8 " 167 LSAT
The index came out exactly the same- 20% Yale, 21% Harvard, 33 % Stanford and all the others ranging 29% (NYU) to 70% Cornell</p>
<p>I also did 3.5 GPA 169 and
3.6 170 LSAT.
The % index is much less than the 3.8/167 3.4/171. with Harvard at 3% and 18, Yale 4% and 17%, and Stanford 14 and 29%.<br>
So it may appear that a high GPA of 3.8 may compensate for the 167 LSAT.
NSped- the kid with a 3.8 and 174 or 175 is going to get in almost anywhere. But maybe only the top percentage has that combo.<br>
I do not really know what any of this means ( I am a mom) but I thought it kinda interesting.
Bottom line is- grades count a heck of a lot too- It's just not the LSAT score!!
The wierd thing is- I did my kids scores last night -- But I think the figures were completely different. So I am going to check out yesterdays "results" when I get back home.</p>
<p>nspeds,</p>
<p>What I meant was most likely the ones with their LSAT in the bottom 25th percentile won't have their GPA also in the bottom 25th percentile. My point is one can't look at one number and isolate all others. I don't mean most of the ones with low LSAT somehow have the top 25th percentile GPA.</p>
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I don't mean most of the ones with low LSAT somehow have the top 25th percentile GPA.
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<p>I never implied that you meant that.</p>
<p>What I did say, though, was:</p>
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<p>Marny:</p>
<p>I think chiashu is much better. It tells you pretty well, down to the year, where you stand in the applicant pool of a particular school.</p>
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NSped- the kid with a 3.8 and 174 or 175 is going to get in almost anywhere.
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<p>I sure hope so;)</p>
<p>Sam- I think our posts may have crossed one anothers- but with the 4 examples I gave, the .4 difference in GPA made up for the 4 point difference in LSAT score- 167 vs. 171. So I think a high GPA can compensate for a lower LSAT score. The best of course is to have the high GPA and LSAT score.</p>
<p>The schools - most of them, anyway - use an academic index, which weights the gpa and the LSAT as each school chooses to weight them, and creates a single number.</p>
<p>Congratulations to your D, marny! I know how proud you must be.</p>