Bad GPA + Decent ExtraC?

Hello, this will be my first post:

I am currently a Junior in a very, very, competitive school (top 60 public schools in the nation), and is known for a fact of their rigorous teachers / top grades in the state(CA). I currently have a low 3 GPA (3.4 ~) but have decent SAT/ACT/Extra-circular activities:

My Schedule (junior year):
English
AP Chemistry
High Honors Precalc
APUSH
AP Statistics
AP Physics I

I always take the hardest courses available my school has to offer, with english being an exception this year. I always get B+ in most of my classes, hence my low GPA. However my stats are decent:

SAT: 2320
ACT: 35

And my extra-curricular’s are also decent:

-USACO SILVER, taking GOLD soon
-Chem Olympaid High Honors

  • Physics Olympaid SILVER
    -ISEF Finalist
    -Siements Semi-Finalist
    -Davidson Finalist
    -Google Science Fair Finalist
    -County Fair Grand Prize Winner
    -State Fair Finalist
    -Conrad Semi-Finalist
    -Congressional App Challenge Winner
    -Research at Berkeley for 2 years + Amazing letter of rec
    -Promised 2 outstanding letters of rec from teachers(understanding my situation)

I am just wondering how colleges will see me, and rank me. Being an Asian male, my parents wants me to go to the top schools (MIT,Caltech, etc…), and I am just too afraid to tell them I am not good enough due to my GPA. I am asking this community, please help me.

Major: Comp Sci + Minor Chemistry
Questions:

  1. I always liked CMU, so is there any chance at all getting in?
  2. How do I improve myself now?
  3. Is there any hope for me?
  4. If all else fails, can I attend a moderately decent UC?

Hello, just wanted to drop the fact that by the end of this year, I would of taken 6AP Tests, all mostly 5’s 4’s

I don’t think you have any shot for top tier universities.

Grades are seen as your work ethic / placement within student body… With solid Bs you just aren’t compelling of an applicant. Sorry to say this but taking a lighter load and getting As would have been a much better idea.

The major you are applying for comp sci is extremely competitive.

Lastly your ECs are all STEM related so you blend into the stereotypical nerd profile.

You might get into some low-tier UCs. Also make sure you apply to some CSUs.

@bomerr‌ Thanks for the response! I will apply for lower-tier UC’s next year then! Btw, what college did you get into>

UCI, applying for transfer this year.

Is 3.4 your unweighted GPA or your UC gpa?

Why on earth wouldn’t Ivy Leagues clamor for this applicant? They sound much more interesting than somebody who got straight As in a mediocre public school and didn’t rank nationally in multiple academic competitions? The test scores show that they’re academically qualified, the competitions show immense work ethic, so what’s missing?

@grgscrjr‌ My highschool UW GPA is 3.3 - 3.4 (Will go down to 3.2 because of Hprecalc and maybe Phyiscs, both of which i have 86% right now). Thanks for your comment!
@bowerland‌ Thank you so much, but as bomerr stated, my GPA is wayy to low. I know I will not get into any IVY’s because my GPA wouldn’t meet their quota, but hopefully my rec letter will balance it (or at lease acknowledge the fact that I went through hardship and such). I am not dreaming for any IVY’s but at least a school such as UT Austin, CMU, etc… known for their CS program, MIGHT look over my whole admission process. Thanks so much!

@bowerland‌

First of all there are a lot of people who have taken the even harder course loads than the OP. e.g. students who cross-enroll into CC and already have calc 3 or linear algebra done.

Second his ECs are pointed, one-dimensional. So he does not stand apart from the crowd. Plus while his STEM ECs are good, other people have had even better ones. e.g. Geohot who jailbroke the iPhone.

@bomerr‌ That is very true, but it’s very hard to see someone with high GPA and with amazing olympaid + science fair research opportunities (personal experience I know). I didn’t try to be one-dimensional, but I just wanted to follow my passion (sorry if that’s bad ;\
Secondly, Geohot is amazing lol

If you calculate your UC/CSU gpa and let us know what it is, we might be able to help with the 4th question in your original post. Here is how you calculate the UC/CSU gpa:

https://secure.csumentor.edu/planning/high_school/gpa_calculator.asp

And there are a lot of ILeaguers who haven’t…
Isn’t becoming an ISEF finalist a bit more difficult than jailbreaking an iPhone? Not to mention everything else…
Again, what factor would make MrGilt an imperfect fit? I’m saying this because I’m dreaming of going to an extremely selective university, and frankly being able to meet people like him rather than me (more science awards, less obsessed with grades) is a large part of the allure.

BTW, sorry for talking about you in the 3rd person :stuck_out_tongue:

@grgscrjr‌ Hello, my current UC GPA is about 3.8 (I don’t have my exact transcript with me, and forgot my sophomore grades :slight_smile: Thanks for the feedback!
@bowerland‌ haha no problem! But I am very scared about my application, and my GPA :slight_smile: I promised myself just to focus on it for the rest of my highschol career, so hopefully a mid 3 range would be the best.

In terms of UC it’s hard to say since there’s a disconnect between your gpa and test scores. You can look at the UC admissions profiles here:

http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/freshman/profiles/index.html

Given the holistic admissions process of the UC, I suggest you apply broadly. I would also encourage you to consider applying to Cal Poly SLO and other CSU with strong CS programs.

You already have great test scores, so no need to spend time on test prep. Right now, I would focus on getting the best grades you can.

Good luck!

Thank you so much for all the responses, I will work harder ! :smiley:

Anyone recommend other schools with moderately decent CS programs? Thanks!

SJSU

CMU- SCS could still be a chance despite your GPA. They can be quirky and the rest of your application looks solid. They are the top CS program in the country.

You should also consider Georgia Tech. Good CS school and you stand a decent chance at admission.

Your EC’s are really amazing and WILL interest top universities. In addition, the GPA/test score disconnect may either raise red flags (ie., you didn’t work hard in school) or point to a high-performing school (with grade deflation). So don’t worry about it, since your ECs do show tremendous work ethics, I doubt universities will think you’re a slacker.

You’re right that your GPA is going to be a problem for tippy-top schools. So, you want schools where EC’s matter a lot rather the CSU’s where they won’t look at these awards at all.

For now, I’d suggest you stop beating yourself up on your grades and plan a lighter senior schedule with AP calc, AP CS, AP social science (psych or human geo if you want sth easier, Euro if you want something harder), a “fun” English credit, and Ap Physics 2, plus one foreign language and 1-2 community college dual-enrollment classes (depending on whether you take one of the above classes at your HS or CC, ie., Calc1, CS1, Foreign Language, art, any social science or seminar not offered at your HS…)
This summer, you might want to start taking a community college “fun” class to diversify your profile - you don’t want to look and sound like a robot, you should be able to have favorite books, favorite tv shows/bands, things you do “just for fun” (an elusive quality for some “high strung” applicants, and thus a way to distinguish yourself) and have classes that aren’t directed toward improving college admission odds or increasing your GPA or accelerating you, but show that for you learning is fun (whatever class that might be, anything that’d pick your interest and ISN’T science. If you have a question about stepping out of your comfort zone in an interview or as a prompt, that’s also be the perfect experience to recount.)

Your EC list is what will matter - so, you don’t want universities that’ll mostly look at numbers - so, Cal Poly SLO and almost all UCs (you should apply to UCB, UCLA, UCSD, UCSB including College of Creative Studies since they’d highly value these ECs, plus UCSC). HarveyMudd and CalTech will be huge reaches, Stanford too, but they’ll be interested enough in your ECs that you shouldn’t prevent yourself from applying. For matches, Case Western, Olin (for CSE), William&Mary perhaps. I’m thinking Shreyer, at Penn State (Pennsylvania’s public flagship), would be a good possibility - they only look at course rigor (yours is fine), EC’s (yours are stellar), essays, and recommendations - not test scores and not GPA… and Shreyer is the “real deal” in terms of Honors Colleges. Of course, you could also apply for the Robertson and the Jefferson scholars programs (respectively, at Duke/UNC and at UVA), at the GTech presidential (beware: very early deadline!) Scholarship committees will LOVE how good you are at science research.
You may want to read http://publicuniversityhonors.com/ or buy the book to investigate honors colleges.

An issue to discuss with your parents: what
Any adcom who reads:
-USACO SILVER, taking GOLD soon
-Chem Olympaid High Honors

  • Physics Olympaid SILVER
    -ISEF Finalist
    -Siements Semi-Finalist
    -Davidson Finalist
    -Google Science Fair Finalist

will be interested. So make sure you give them reasons to keep on reading - the rest of your academic profile is not as stellar as those ECs, but it’s fine - so the difference will be made on the little things; forget about grades and having a schedule harder than what I pointed to above- but keep working on these science competitions.

Another issue is to discuss budget with your parents. How much are they willing to pay? (Don’t bring it up but they may tell you they’ll make a difference between different types of colleges).