<p>thanks a lot guys
appreciate it</p>
<p>i might stay where i am , i was just wondering</p>
<p>East 89/Hello Jan - There are all reaches, but as far as reaches go I felt they went in that order. Yes Columbia is higher than Cornell in most rankings, I was factoring in which schools may take experience working in a law firm with more weight. Cornell is ranked higher than UVA, but the CC population going to a public school takes a lot of jr transfer spots.</p>
<p>And jwlstn, no offense, but you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. Decent shot at UVA? </p>
<p>Undergraduate Admission Counselor Olivia Hessing said. When comparing two hypothetical transfer students — one at a Virginia community college with a 3.8 GPA and another at Cornell with a 3.3 GPA — Hessing said deciding which student will gain admittance is “difficult,” all else being equal.</p>
<p>University Admissions Dean Greg Roberts said that the University is “taking a closer look” at transfer applicants from Virginia community colleges, “there’s so many factors to consider.”</p>
<p>It’s a public school, they are going to take CC students and VA residents. It may not be ranked like a Cornell or a Columbia, but they are funded by the state and thats where their priority lies. </p>
<p>I looked at Cornell, UVA, Georgetown, and Duke for transfer. I called all of them when I was a freshman about what they were looking for in transfer candidates. About them caring about your HS GPA, yes schools will use every piece of info on you they have. Of all the schools I called they said HS GPA does factor in, but very little in comparison to other info, such as college GPA and SATs. I asked should I retake my SATs as I got only a 1660 and a 3.4 for freshman year, and they all said no. I was advised to focus on my college GPA and take general req courses so that my classes would transfer. So I know what they are looking for and who may have a chance I had worse stats than the poster and got in to USC, and my suitemates freshman with similar stats to him got into McGill and Cornell, which are on par with most of his list (or in the case of Cornell on his list). Stop being bitter that you got rejected.</p>
<p>Selk21, great insight esp in that last paragraph. I’m in the same situation as the OP but did better on my SATS. Thinking about transferring to some of the schools you mentioned.</p>
<p>If anyone has some tips on how to effectively convey improvement. keyword IMPROVEMENT from high school to college, feel free to share. I know in some essays you can bring that up.</p>
<p>lol
dam
SELK
thanks 4 the hope brotha</p>
<p>and every1 thanks 4 the input
i will apply ne way
u’ll never know unless u apply
thanks guys</p>
<p>No problem. I thought it was safe to assume that you knew those schools have difficult admissions and can be a reach. I was making rankings based on what would be a better chance as a reach. But I guess people like to rain on other people. I was barely graduated on time and everyone told me, “maybe college won’t work for you” or “CC can get you an associates degree.” I was seen as the meathead jock and no one believed I’d be at USC. I applied myself at college and applied to USC. It was a reach, I thought there would be no way I’d get admitted as the avg transfer GPA was 3.8. But I figured it was my top choice and its never hurts anyone to try. I got into my other schools and was set to go to IU and was just waiting for my USC rejection letter, when I opened my mailbox and thought ‘thats a pretty big packet for a rejection’. And now I’m at my top choice school maintaining my good GPA. The suitemate I had that got into McGill thought he wouldn’t get in and felt like UConn will be where he ends up, but he applied and got in. I get really sick of people saying you have no chance places at places. I mean look at Einstein, he wasn’t exactly the model student in high school, didn’t get into college, and worked as a clerk in the Swiss patent office and eventually ended up at the college he wanted then went on to a PhD. I wonder what science would be like if he didn’t try.</p>
<p>BMW, do you have a reason for you low HS GPA? Work/Family problems/moved around/miliatary brat etc.</p>
<p>Bitter? Exactly what part of my post gives you the idea that I’m bitter? THe part where I said that I absolutely love it at my current school and couldn’t ask for anywhere better? Or was it the part where I didn’t blow sunshine up the OP’s @ss and giving him false hopes about a school he has no realistic shot at?</p>
<p>I guess it would be difficult for me to be bitter considering I didn’t apply to any of those schools, but yay for cognitive dissonance!</p>
<p>You can post anecdotal evidence all you want but you have no facts to back them up. I’ve been posting and reading on these boards for two years and can safely say that not one person has been admitted to an elite school like Columbia, Duke, Cornell A&S’s without a solid hook or decent HS grades. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but it’s rare. HUNDREDS of kids apply to these schools every year with stellar stats from high school AND college, what sets someone who goofed off in HS apart from a kid that did well in HS and at a decent college? Explain why they would want to admit this person unless they had a solid hook.</p>
<p>It’s great that you got into USC, but that school is hardly an “elite” like Cornell, Columbia A&S, or Duke. I’m willing to bet your friend who got into Cornell got into one of the less competitive colleges as well.</p>
<p>Did you ever stop to think that the admissions counselors at the schools you contacted have a vested interest in you applying to the school, even if you have no chance of being admitted? I’m not saying they outright lied, but at the same time they never said that your HS record is irrelevant, they merely told you what you wanted to hear. It’s also telling that you got denied at those schools and don’t know anyone who actually got in with a bad HS record…</p>
<p>Also, I had a good laugh at the fact that you consider Mcgill to be on par with Duke, Columbia, or Cornell.</p>
<p>To the OP, apply where you want, believe it or not I hope you get in everywhere you want, but realize that the advice you are getting is from students NOT admissions counselors. Transfer admissions is cutthroat, but you will find that out for yourself.</p>
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<p>That’s the Canadian school, right? In that case, you have to remember that most countries outside of the US send their top students to big public schools. So while McGill will probably have top Canadian students, it will also have above average Canadians, unlike a US school like Yale or Harvard which will only have top students.</p>
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<p>Adcoms do NOT use SATs to measure how well you will do in college (yes, the test was designed for this, but has been shown in many studies to be a poor predictor). Rather, they use it as a universal measuring stick to look at candidates from widely varying academic institutions, whether between HSs for freshmen admissions or colleges for transfers.</p>
<p>I don’t know what college you attended before transferring, but the OP attends Fairleigh Dickinson University, not exactly a brand name. For the colleges the OP has listed, given a low 2.8 gpa in HS, how will their 4.0 in FDU compare to applicants from well know publics and private colleges with a 3.7-4.0? It depends on their SAT, which if low will likely make adcoms doubt whether or not the applicant will be able to keep up academically; and if high will lend some assurance that the applicant has improved since HS and their 4.0 holds some weight.</p>
<p>The fact you talk about how you didn’t get into your top choice, and how applying to reaches isn’t even worth the time as you need to write essays for the applications. Since you didn’t get into a top choice, doesn’t mean someone else may not. It worked out for you where you ended up, but don’t knock other people from trying where they want to try. </p>
<p>And no one getting into places like Columbia. I heard a story from my Dean when I told him I was going to ASU, about the last kid who went to ASU. This kid from my school who got expelled from my HS, went to a alternative HS for troubled youths. Ended up doing his senior year at our HS again. Went to ASU then transferred to Columbia after a year. </p>
<p>And I don’t have any facts to back it up? I don’t see you posting any either…other than you’ve read posts for a couple years and you haven’t seen any cases. So since you haven’t seen any cases then he has no chance? </p>
<p>I didn’t apply to Cornell/Georgetown/Duke/Columbia, so how was I denied from them? And actually they didn’t tell me w.e I wanted to hear so that I applied. Georgetown pretty much told me forget it, as I wasn’t taking language classes. When I called these schools they told me what they looked for and who is the general admitted student. So sorry I don’t have personal cases to riddle off, as I don’t spend my time tracking down students who applied to schools, and document their stats just in case I need to dicuss them at a later date. But his GPA falls into the general admitted transfers range. And other than his work experince thats what I had to go by. </p>
<p>I’d hardly call IRL an easy Cornell school to transfer into. </p>
<p>25-75%:
USC 620 - 720 CR 650 - 750 M or the updated from USC (640-730 CR 670-760 M)
McGill 640 - 740 CR 650 - 720 M
Cornell 630 - 730 CR 670 - 770 M
Duke 660 - 760 CR 680 - 780 M
Columbia 680 - 770 CR 680 - 780 M</p>
<p>From my HS avg acceptance
USC: 3.7 GPA 2193 (64 apps)
McGill: 3.6 GPA 2163 (127 apps)
Duke: 3.8 GPA 2290 (96 apps)
Colmubia: 3.7 GPA 2268 (104 apps)
Cornell: 3.7 GPA 2247 (286 apps)</p>
<p>Oh yeah USC is hardly comparable to Duke, Columbia, or Cornell. And McGill is so laughable.</p>
<p>The fact that you think that IRL is even comparable to the competitiveness of CAS just shows how ignorant you are about transfer admissions. You can look the rates up if you want (<a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000156.pdf[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000156.pdf</a>) but I assure you that a 58% acceptance rate vs. 14% is hardly comparable. </p>
<p>And how am I “knocking” someone by stating an informed (although not unassailable) opinion about transfer admissions? Did I tell him he was stupid for doing so? No I didn’t.</p>
<p>At the end of the day you are telling a student he has a good shot at getting into elite schools like Columbia, Duke, and Cornell based solely on a year of solid college grades and a very average internship. What in gods name makes you think that elite schools who have hundreds of students with even better college records and stellar HS stats applying are going to take a kid with those stats? You really think they are going to totally disregard someone who goofed off in HS?</p>
<p>I really don’t care what you think about USC, I think you’re trying to prove the idea that it’s an elite school to yourself more than you are to me.</p>
<p>Everybody please calm down and address the OP rather than each other.</p>
<p>lol you have no come back for the stats that rejected your claims USC isn’t on their level. You insult it, then you don’t care once you’re proved wrong…</p>
<p>Oh yes “I haven’t heard of a case, so you have no chance” is so informed. If you personally don’t know a case then they won’t get in. </p>
<p>OP never said CAS, they said Cornell (none specific). And I never said CAS was equal to IRL. I said IRL was hardly an easy schools to get into. </p>
<p>And as I’ve stated several times AS A REACH which schools I felt they had a better than the other. </p>
<p>Learn how to read, maybe you wouldn’t have been rejected from your top choices if you knew how.</p>
<p>Also they said they are doing two years before applying not one like you state.</p>
<p>haha jeezzee, you guys are pretty whinyyy :P</p>
<p>look… it comes down to this: jump for the stars, but don’t forget to bring your parachute…</p>
<p>1 good year means barely anything… get a 4.0 for sophomore year too and THEN talk to me about transferring… i came out of highschool with a terrible record as well, but i set my goals on Cornell freshman year of college. i worked very very hard and applied to cornell with decent hopes while also applying to a safe, but still very good, backup state school… at the end of the day, i got into cornell but im still glad i had that safety just in case</p>
<p>however, let me address something along those lines as well… jwlstn has a good point about the competitiveness of ILR vs CAS, but don’t assume that that means “oh, i’ll just apply to ILR as a backdoor into Cornell”. I don’t know exactly how I was admitted, but i have a good idea it has something to do with the fact that i have been involved with ILR related activities since junior year of highschool (despite terrible HS grades) and during my interview, admissions saw a lot of proper fit between the school and me. A LOT of kids apply to ILR, and i sincerely commend the committee because they have the painstaking task of admitting students like me, while turning down kids that jwlstn mentioned, with the 4.0s in HS and college… its all about FIT to the school of ILR, which can be really hard to decipher when you only have stats and numbers defining a person. </p>
<p>at the end of the day, it comes down to BUILDING your record and giving your best, because really, that’s all you can do.</p>
<p>i hope the best of luck to you, but just remember that its not about the NAME of the institution (or rank…) but rather what YOU DO with that education…</p>
<p><3 cheers</p>
<p>haha brandnew, I just don’t appreciate being told I have no clue what I’m talking about. I’m no admission counselor, but I was in the same shoes, and gave my opinion.</p>
<p>I called about the 58% ILR acceptance rate and they said it includes GT’s. Most people are GTs, and I heard the real external acceptance rate is between 20-25%. So it may be slightly easier than CAS, but the ILR interview will make sure that you belong there.</p>
<p>honestly i love all the opinions guys
that’s what makes are country so fine, that we have this freedom to debate over colleges,
i am probably not going 2 transfer, but i will apply to see what options are opened, but ne way undergrad does not matter that much (as long as the GPA is high), because it could improve my chances to get into law school</p>
<p>High school is not the end of the world,
high school gives you a start
but does not give u a finish
people mature at different rates,
all colleges community colleges, private schools, even ivy league are all the same curriculum, in the end as an undergrad your paying for the name,
all of u
thanks, Selk21 you sound like the NYU dean i was talking to
thanks</p>