<p>^ I don't know anybody who's ever been ID'ed for an M game. I get ID'ed before I buy a lighter but not games.</p>
<p>it's policy to check your ID to get an M game (atleast if you're not obviously over 17). Though you might argue that some stores may not check ID's, you can say the same thing about R movies. Oh well, there's always the internet.</p>
<p>Define "violent." :cool:</p>
<p>It isn't required for a store to ask you for your ID when you buy a lighter.</p>
<p>^ It is now, and it's been illegal for people under 18 to buy for nearly 10 years, but they've only now begun to ID me. Which makes me mad >.<. But I can buy zippo fluid without ID, but not a cheap BIC lighter. Interesting...</p>
<p>and cold pills...apparently if you under 18 you don't deserve to be relieved of the symptoms unless an adult approves...(I know its suppose to prevent the manufacturing of meth...yea it sure has worked!)</p>
<p>Romani -- maybe that's a state law because it hasn't been imposed nationally.</p>
<p>It is a state law. But it was just an example.</p>
<p>@Tritiumknight</p>
<p>It's also because high school students think its fun to OD on cold medicine.</p>
<p>@romanigypsyeyes</p>
<p>I tried to buy a Zippo light from a convenience store and they told me I couldn't buy it unless I was 18. Then I went to Newbury Comics and they told me I had to be 18. I also went to Spencer's and they told me I had to be 18.</p>
<p>Finally I went to Things Remembered and bought one. The lady told me that she isn't required to ask for I.D and it's her prerogative to sell to kids under the age of 18....so...Idk...</p>
<p>You have to be 18 to buy lighters in your state? That is insane. I see where they're going - ban lighter sales to minors, and you make smoking harder, but really, that's an absurdly overreaching way of doing it. Not to mention that a kid could definitely just go to a grocery store and buy some matches if they really couldn't get a light any other way.</p>
<p>The video games thing is only slightly less insane in my opinion. I've been playing very, very violent games since I was about 10 years old. I'm not exactly a serial killer at the moment. For the government to legislate a ban is not defensible, I think, especially since no true negative effects have been shown on an aggregate scale from kids playing violent games. Parents need to keep track of what their kids are buying; if a 10 year old has the disposable income and lack of parental oversight to go buy and play a violent videogame without parental approval, there's a problem there with the parents. We should not be asking for the government to parent for those who are bad at it. It just doesn't work all that well, and ends up imposing norms on people who may not agree with them - and even when we think those norms are always the best, there are always some situations in which they are not.</p>
<p>That said, I wish there was more parental education. I don't exactly know how that would be accomplished, but I do wish that people had to pass some test for pregnancy in hospitals, and if they could not pass it either take a course or be mandated to hire a caregiver full-time. It appalls me how bad some parents are - and if someone is incapable of passing a simple test, they're almost inevitably going to infringe on the rights of their eventual child (this is how I rationalize the imposition on the parent's rights).</p>
<p>The problem is that many parents are just naturally irresponsible. They have sex for "fun" and then have to deal with the consequences of having a child when they're not ready of having one. Such parents may be less receptive to "parental education" and "parental responsibility." Even serial killers and murderers oftentimes have children.</p>
<p>Parental education may help wrt some parents, but it's least likely to help with the most irresponsible parents.</p>
<p>Just a note: any "banning" of R movies to minors is establishment-based. The MPAA is NOT a government agency, or affiliated with the federal government in any way. Additionally, filmakers have the right to release a film without submission to the MPAA, or to reject the MPAA's rating, just as theatres have the right to run any films they want, rated or unrated.</p>
<p>Well it might be a county thing. I'm in Wayne county (also home to Detroit, MI) so we have a LOT of restrictions aimed at Detroit but imposed on the whole county. It really, really sucks >.<.</p>
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<p>hahaha, i love how people like to attribute everything to a detestable institution</p>