<p>I have encountered lots of girls claiming that they got BA from Columbia. However, I
have found out that they are actually from Barnard. Are they liars ?
Why do they hide the name "Barnard" ? Aren't they proud of being Barnard ?
Does Barnard girls have inferiority complex ? </p>
<p>ex.) Wharton graduates proudly say the name "Wharton" instead of UPenn.</p>
<p>Barnard women do get degree from Columbia University. Their diplomas are signed by the presidents of both the university and Barnard College. But since Barnard is an independent college and just affiliated with CU, I think it is wrong to not mention Barnard at all on resumes.</p>
<p>^I agree.
The relationship between Barnard and Columbia is pretty iffy at times. Barnard apparently pays a certain amount of money to Columbia in order to maintain this affiliation.</p>
<p>"ex.) Wharton graduates proudly say the name "Wharton" instead of UPenn"</p>
<p>Are all Fu college grads obligated to write "Fu" on their resumes, in addition to Columbia University? Or is that up to them, at their sole discretion? What about GS grads, do they all proudly say the name "General Studies" instead of "columbia U"? Or do some of them, at their sole discretion, just leave it at "Columbia U"?</p>
<p>I've seen lots of people with Cornell degrees just say "B.S' Cornell University", without also proudly saying the name "College of Human Ecology", or whichever. I don't get bent up about it, they do in fact have a degree issued and signed by the Trustees of Cornell University. If Cornell University did not in fact sign their degree I'm sure they wouldn''t be claiming it did.</p>
<p>The thing that's bizarre about Columbia is this "off balance sheet" relation they have with their affiliated colleges. Which is undoubtedly of long standing and was probably not a big issue prior to coeduation. Harvard and Radcliffe had the same relationship, I believe. But nevertheless, at the end of the day they are signing the diplomas, which say "Trustees of Columbia University" emblazened across the top in huge bold letters. Not just for Barnard, but Teacher's College and the other affiliated colleges as well.</p>
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I can't speak for them (even though I just got accepted.</p>
<p>But I will say there's a reason Columbia guys generally prefer Barnard girls...</p>
<p>"But I will say there's a reason Columbia guys generally prefer Barnard girls"
"Columbia guys" including General Studies ? Does Barnard girls prefer Columbia College over General Studies ?</p>
<p>It's not that they have an inferiority complex, it's more that they actually in fact are granted degrees of Columbia University. Therefore they have to make a decision about what to put down. Probably most identify it as "Columbia University, Barnard College", but some readers might find it odd to have the two institutions listed. (I did, when I saw some resumes like this, back in the day). Some others probably just say "columbia U" as a strategic matter, since they are using it as a selling document to get jobs and they believe that name alone, without the qualifier, has the most clout. The same way the Cornell Hum Ec grad might leave off the college, if they felt like that might give the most juice, or maybe grads of one or other of columbia's other colleges might do likewise.
The Hum Ec grad, or even a grad of another columbia college, probably has no particular "inferiority complex" about their college, they may be very proud of it personally, but they are just facing reality, recognizing the university name by itself has the most juice, without the qualifier,and taking the most reasonable approach to the task at hand. They are entitled to do that, they were issued the degree.</p>
<p>Probably lots of others just write "Barnard College" and ignore the fact that their degree actually says Columbia right across the top, Because, though maybe not perfectly technically accurate, it may be less confusing to some readers that way.</p>
<p>But my guess is the vast majority list both the university and the college. That's what I would do. And also what I saw. And you're right, I personally think Barnard is not something someone should want to omit. But some people may come to different decisions about this, for one of the above reasons.</p>
<p>...They just couldn't get in.</p>
<p>I have no problem with Barnard but it does bug me when they pass themselves off as CU students. No you're not. You're a Barnard student and Barnard is an affiliate of Columbia.</p>
<p>An accurate comparison isn't Wharton and UPeen (That's CC/SEAS in terms of differences) but Brown and the Rhode Island School of Design. Close schools, many classes can be taken at both....you're still NOT a CU student.</p>
<p>^ and Wharton has more prestige than UPenn? am I right?</p>
<p>I just know that Wharton is an actual division of Upenn; the business school. You are in no way underplaying the uPenn of your diploma ot inferring that you're from a difference school by saying Wharton. Everyone knows Wharton is uPenn's business school.</p>
<p>Lion Head Not true. Know many Barnard people who were admitted to Columbia and chose to attend Barnard. Also many that did not aly to Columbia because COre did not interest them. Also Fu school of engineering people do not say that is where they are attending they say Columbia University</p>
<p>I guess Columbia-Barnard relationship is like Harvard-Wellesly. Wellesly students can take lots of Harvard College classes through cross registration. It is like
Wellesly student saying she got BA from Harvard because her transcript will say that the course work is done at Harvard</p>
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<p>Then those are most likely not the student trying to underplay the Barnard aspect of their education and pass themselves as CU students. I'm also iffy of your "many". I know "many" Barnard students that picked Barnard because they couldn't get into CU and hope to officially transfer. Many does not a rule make. </p>
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<p>...Ok. I also know many students who were turned off by Columbia's core and chose other schools instead. What's your point? </p>
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<p>Utter bull. Most resumes of SEAS students I see say both. Don't generalize. (And again...doesn't really have anything to do with what's being discussed, does it?)</p>
<p>""An accurate comparison isn't Wharton and UPeen (That's CC/SEAS in terms of differences) but Brown and the Rhode Island School of Design. Close schools, many classes can be taken at both....you're still NOT a CU student. ""</p>
<p>You are right. Wharton is not affiliated with UPenn. Wharton is UPenn. Barnard is "independent" college "affiliated" with Columbia. If I go to Columbia and take music classes at Juiliard, can I say I got my undergrad degree from Juliad-Columbia ? ( the transcript will probably say course work was done at Juliad ...)</p>
<p>Juliard gradutes do not receive diplomas from the Trustees of Columbia University, signed by Columbia University.</p>
<p>Barnard College Graduates do.</p>
<p>If you feel that Barnard college and Teachers College grads cannot legitimately claim that they hold degrees of Columbia University</p>
<p>You need to have Columbia University stop participating in the issuance, and signing of their degrees.</p>
<p>If Columbia University won't do this, then frankly y'all are just barking in the wind.</p>
<p>I guarantee these people will stop saying they were issued these degrees as soon as they are no longer being issued them. Until then...</p>
<p>You're defining student body identity by this one factor, reducing discussion to one point which you feel gives you validity when doing this is a logical fallacy that doesn't hold in discussion.</p>
<p>For all their connections (and HUGE overwhelming differences, lets not forget) a Barnard College student is not a Columbia student. It really doesn't get any simpler than that.</p>
<p>Barnard students are not Columbia University students. They attend Barnard College, an independent and affiliated LAC (yes, those are not mutually exclusive).</p>
<p>I don't see why they would claim to be Columbia University students when CU clearly maintains that they have only 3 undergraduate colleges: CC, GS, and SEAS.</p>
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Columbia University comprises three undergraduate colleges and one close affiliate. Columbia College and The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science are both served by the Office of Undergraduate Admissions. The School of General Studies, is Columbia’s college for returning and nontraditional students. It maintains a separate admissions and application process. Barnard College, the closely affiliated but independent women’s college across the street, also has an entirely separate admissions and application process.
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<p>"Juliard gradutes do not receive diplomas from the Trustees of Columbia University, signed by Columbia University.
Barnard College Graduates do."</p>
<p>However, Barnard is "affiliated" with Columbia, NOT part of Columbia. Barnard diploma is signed by Columbia Trustees because of its affiliation, not because it is part of Columbia. Barnard student make it sound like Barnard is Part of Columbia, which is a FALSE statement. </p>
<p>The correct way should be I got my BA from Columbia "affiliated" school. not "from Columbia". 'I got my BA from Columbia' is FALSE statement because Barnard is not part of Columbia. SEAS can say they got BS from Columbia because it is part of Columbia. </p>
<p>As long as the Trustee of Columbia University signs Barnard diploma because of its affiliation agreement, NOT becasue Barnard is part of Columbia, Barnard graduates should say
"I got my BA from Columbia 'affiliated' school"</p>
<p>The "affiliate" construct these institutions have operated under is rather bizarre; though nobody may have really cared prior to coeducation at Columbia. IIRC Northwestern has these types of relationships with its seminaries; wonder what it does about degrees. Maybe the colleges at Oxford are like this too; don't know.</p>
<p>But anyway, hope all you people can work all this out, to your mutual satisfaction. It is not my issue, any more.</p>
<p>All right, firstly Oxford's college's are part of Oxford like Columbia college is part of CU. As has been explained seas is part of columbia exactly as much as columbia college is a part. I say i go to Columbia because it's longer to say school of engineering. If i ever wanted to sound specific or hardcore, I'd always say engineering school. My resume says engineering school because it gives my gpa oomph. </p>
<p>Barnard is definitely a separate institution, for precedent, there isn't a single (definitely not many) other university where you can apply to two schools, be rejected by one school and get into another at the same time. They also have their own president and own endowment, own residential/on campus rules, own housing, own career center.</p>
<p>Frankly I hardly care that Barnard students claim they go to columbia. They have no access to our on-campus recruiting system so I get access to jobs they do not. They cannot hide the affiliation from grad schools. It peeves me a little that they tarnish our name by claiming they go to columbia, and it should peeve a barnard student if a columbia girl claimed she went to Barnard, it's simply misrepresentation.</p>
<p>Honestly, in an interview scenario saying you go to columbia puts you on stilts, and leaves more room for you to come crashing down. I'd much rather say i go to bumblefck college and then blow expectations away rather than vice-versa. I never say where I study in conversations, because it keeps the playing field level. If my education doesn't show then it was worthless. So i don't rely on the columbia name for much, but if people need they're self-esteem boosted, let 'em float their boat.</p>
<p>All you high school students just don't get how little a college name matters, you're all caught up in prestige, missing the woods for the trees.</p>
<p>After interviewing, getting my a$$ beat a couple of time and making it through a couple of times, I can tell you the best part about real life, is nobody gives a sht, you've got to prove yourself everytime.</p>