<p>I found out that Barnard graduates are NOT Columbia Graduates
and Columbia alumni database does NOT include Barnard students.</p>
<p>If I put ‘BA Columbia’ on my resume, and if the potential employer call columbia
to verify my degree., then columbia will probably say there is no record about me…</p>
<p>Will I get fired ? ( after the job offer ?)</p>
<p>Why would you put Columbia if you graduated from Barnard?</p>
<p>ZZgirl, i get the feeling you are a ■■■■■.</p>
<p>No Barnard graduate is going to put " BA Columiba" on their resume. </p>
<p>“Barnard College, Columbia University”, however, is correct since Barnard is, as you know, affiliated with Columbia University.</p>
<p>oh, then why does Columbia claim Zora Neal Hurston as a graduate when in fact she attended Barnard?</p>
<p>they claim zora neal hurston graduated from columbia when she in fact attended barnard because they love to rag on barnard girls but when it comes to notable alumni, they love to call them “columbia” alums when they are indeed barnard alums. </p>
<p>It’s kinda like make up your mind, columbia. They’re really inconsistent. Barnard Grads are also CU grads. Barnard students, in my opinion and i’ve researched this somewhat in depth, are columbia UNIVERSITY students. Not columbia college. </p>
<p>You get a BA from Barnard College of Columbia University
You are entitled to joining the Columbia club as well as the University Club. </p>
<p>Whatever. If people want to dispute this, that’s fine.</p>
<p>Yeah, I do laugh when women like Zora Neal Hurston and Anna Quindlen are tagged as Columbia grads. I just roll my eyes at the whole thing. It is amazing how much the internet can magnify an irrelevant argument. It is a shame that people take it for what the atmosphere is actually like in Morningside.</p>
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Affiliates, staffs, administrators can also join University Club
However, Barnard graduates can not join Columbia Alumni network.</p>
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According to this web site, Columbia does not award any degrees to Barnard.
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202007-2008.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202007-2008.htm</a></p>
<p>Yes. I’m sure CHILDRENS is a word.</p>
<p>So hey, Question, Why do they even bother calling it Barnard College of Columbia University on our Diplomas?</p>
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<p>I think Barnard diploma does not say 'Barnard COllege of Columbia
If your employer calls Columbia to verify your degree, Columbia University will say you are not a Columbia graduate.</p>
<p>" think Barnard diploma does not say 'Barnard COllege of Columbia …"</p>
<p>qmos is correct, it does not say that at all.</p>
<p>As proof, here is an actual, real example of the diploma in question:.
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<p>The issuing institution is printed right across the top in huge bold letters, nobody can miss it.You don’t have to be a Latin scholar to do that translation, it is plain as day. In case there’s any doubt, an official of the issuing institution signs the darned thing too, right there on the diploma for anyone to read. Lower left hand side.</p>
<p>In fact, qmos, just to prove to everyone exactly how correct you are, would you please post below the literal translation of the top line,written in huge bold letters, of the subject diploma? Everyone can then clearly see that only one of those institutions is mentioned, not both, right??</p>
<p>If qmos does not get to it maybe somebody else can do it for her/ him.</p>
<p>I really don’t want to spoil the fun of having qmos post the translation. But I will post the translation of the paragraph below the title:</p>
<p>Translated: “The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York, of the College formerly known as King’s, present our greetings to all and everyone to whom this document may come. We inform you that NAME has duly and lawfully completed all the requirements appropriate to the degree of Bachelor of Arts and as accordingly been advanced to that degree with all the rights, privileges, and honors customarily pertaining thereto. In fuller testimony of this action, we have ensured that the signatures of the President of the University and the President of Barnard College as well as our corporate seal be affixed to this diploma. Done at New York on DATE in YEAR.”</p>
<p>The diploma does NOT say Barnard College of Columbia therefore it is not a degree awarded by Columbia. the diploma say Columbia Univeristy ‘’‘’‘“informs”’‘’ Barnard students completed
Barnard’s Bachelor of Art degree… it is siged by two presidents.</p>
<p>Diploma does not mean the ‘’‘‘degree’’‘’ is award by CU. </p>
<p>Columbia University is very clear about this as shown in the folowiing link::
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202007-2008.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202007-2008.htm</a></p>
<p>Glad to see my diploma is still making the rounds. :)</p>
<p>Don’t have much more to add except that whenever a Barnard student wins something major, the Spec article title is most often “# Columbia students win X,” listing the Barnard student as one of the Columbia students. see, e.g.
[Two</a> Columbia Students Win Goldwater Scholarship | Columbia Spectator](<a href=“http://columbiaspectator.com/2007/04/17/two-columbia-students-win-goldwater-scholarship]Two”>Two Columbia Students Win Goldwater Scholarship)
or just search for the major scholarship names in the Spec archives.</p>
<p>Further, Barnard alumnae are eligible for CU “alumni” awards, e.g. the University Medal for Excellence, which Jhumpa Lahiri (BC’89) won the year I graduated.
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/senate/honorsandprizes_nomination.html[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/senate/honorsandprizes_nomination.html</a></p>
<p>edit: oh, I do have more to add. Columbia definitely isn’t clear on this. Signs point both ways. Considering that the president of Barnard has to request that the president of Columbia grant the Barnard graduates their degrees at commencement, in a ceremony exactly like that for the dean of CC and SEAS, just makes it extra confusing.
<a href=“University Commencement - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia”>University Commencement - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia;
<p>All that said, I’d never say I’m a Columbia graduate. I loved my experiences at Barnard and think they set me up for the accomplishments which I now and in the future want the college to get credit for. <3 BC! But it was definitely nice to have boys around and a wider offering of classes than I could’ve had at any school similar to Barnard.</p>
<p>So glad to hear from you as always, Primefactor! I hope you are doing well!!</p>
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Yep. My daughter won something major (first prize national student competition) her first year… and sure enough, she was listed as: “Daughter Realname Columbia University” (Nope, my daughter didn’t arrange this - its entirely Columbia’s doing)</p>
<p>You call Columbia University and ask them if you or your daugher is a Columbia graduate. I already did and Columbia U said my friend (Barnard graduate) never registered at Columbia and no degrees have been awarded to her… </p>
<p>It does not matter what Spectator or Wiki says.</p>
<p>Wellesely student can also register at MIT and receive MIT student ID, which says ‘MIT student.’ W students can also get MIT e-mail, MIT computer account, MIT student ID number, and join MIT activities. W student can even get MIT ‘alumnus’ status if they register at MIT for two semesters. W can even join atheletic activity as MIT student…
Therefore, Wellesely students receive MIT degree ???</p>
<p>I think anyone can take Columbia courses as non-degree student (e.g., special studente at continuing ed, or Juliard student taking Columbia courses) and can be ‘Columbia student’</p>
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It is entirely 'ColumbiaSpectator's doing'</p>
<p>I wasn’t citing the wiki as an authority, I was just linking to their explanation of how the division reps ask the President to grant the graduating class of their division a degree. You’ll see at Commencement that Barnard does this, too, which certainly makes it SOUND as though the President of Columbia is the one who grants the degree of Barnard students, and shows how Columbia isn’t very clear on whether the degree is “from” Columbia University.</p>
<p>Officially, the degree IS granted by the trustees of Columbia University, in the same language as the CC diploma. The “informs” language is pretty standard on a lot of diplomas. Formally, the Barnard trustees simply “recommend” the graduating class to the CU trustees, just like the Dean of CC. Furthermore, if you look at the actual, signed affiliation agreement, it states that Barnard students receive “the degree of the University.” I don’t know if a copy is online, but you can go request to read it. The same is true for Teacher’s College, which also doesn’t appear on the OPIR’s website, but they are inarguably accepted as having a CU degree, and no one has a problem with them saying “Teacher’s College of Columbia University” all over the place. It’s less of a hot-button issue than Barnard for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>edit to be even more wordy: having a degree from a school doesn’t mean you’re a graduate. Schools can award degrees, honorary or not, to whomever they want. Barnard students didn’t graduate from a Columbia University degree program, they graduated from a Barnard degree program and were granted a Columbia University degree.</p>
<p>Yes, it’s weird that students who never enroll in a school are granted a degree by it. I totally agree. I think the only real solution to this is to stop issuing Columbia degrees to Barnard grads, and stop including them in commencement, plus stop the involvement of Columbia Trustees in Barnard tenure, and let the schools function almost as MIT and Wellesley, with very open cross registration and maybe with some additional social accommodations because of the physically closer relationship. I personally see no problem with this, as functionally nothing would change, except that it would only serve to clarify an issue that doesn’t have any practical importance but in the process would come off as an insult to Barnard. Since the issuing of degrees is an honorific, regardless of the relative qualities of the schools (do you think Barack Obama really feels honored by his honorary degree from, e.g., Notre Dame?), changing this is politically tough.</p>
<p>Anyway, the degree issuance, plus allowing Barnard alumnae to win University Alumni awards, makes things pretty unclear in ways Columbia could choose to clarify if they wanted to. I’m not saying BC students are Columbia graduates, I’m only saying that it’s just as unclear in official Columbia procedures/literature as it is in anything Barnard puts out.</p>
<p>Likewise, quoting the Spec just goes to show that it’s not just BC girls running around claiming to be Columbia students. When you get called a Columbia student on a regular enough basis by Columbia students and faculty, then it can be confusing what you’re “allowed” to call yourself, and in what contexts you’re supposed to refer to which affiliation.</p>
<p>wow, sorry that was long. I’m in write-up mode. :)</p>
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<p>No No… </p>
<p>All of your claims are based on the situations that possibly imply that Barnard is part of Columbia (tenure process, commencements, spectator, diploma etc…)
None of these matters…actually</p>
<p>Before Columbia went co-ed in 1985, Barnard graduate were considered as Columbia graduates. After 1985, two schools became legally separate and Barnard graduates are no longer part of Columbia. Because of such historical reasons, Barnard students are
allowed in the commencements, and gets diploma signed by C president etc… I guess there are still soem loopholes remaining… </p>
<p>I don’t understand why you can not find even a single official Columbia web site which says
Barnard is part of Columbia or Barnard degree is awarded by Columbia… why ??</p>
<p>Please give me a official Columbia satement which says Barnard degree is Columbia degree or Barnard is part of Columbia.</p>
<p>I can provide number of Columbia ‘OFFICIAL’ web sites CLEARLY saying Barnard degree is not Columbia degree and Barnard is not part of COlumbia.
[Academic</a> Life | Columbia University Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/university/academic]Academic”>http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/university/academic)
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202007-2008.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202007-2008.htm</a>
[Columbia</a> University: Academic Programs](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/academic_programs/index.html]Columbia”>http://www.columbia.edu/academic_programs/index.html)</p>
<p>If you are still confused about Barnard degree, Please call Columbia University directly and ask them if your(Barnard graduate) degree is awarded by Columbia. It wont’ take more than 5 min.
Why can’t you call ? Afraid ?</p>
<p>If Columbia U says Barnard degree is not awarded by Columbia even though the diploma is signed by B & C presidents, invited to the commencement and B professors are tenured by columbia , spectator… etc… then… Barnard degree is not awarded by Columbia. right ?</p>
<p><em>sigh</em></p>
<p>Please respond to what I say, instead of what you expect me to say. I don’t think Barnard is a part of Columbia. I don’t call myself a Columbia graduate. It’s entirely possible to have a Columbia University degree and not be a Columbia University graduate. These are two different things.</p>
<p>Schools can grant degrees to students who never enrolled, that’s their prerogative and of course it’s yours to disagree with their decision. But if they wanted, Columbia could offer degrees to every NYU student as recognition that their academic program met Columbia’s standards, even if the student never so much as set foot on CU’s campus. Not an honorary degree, mind you, but an actual degree for having satisfied coursework that meets Columbia’s standards for a Bachelor’s.</p>
<p>Please call Columbia University directly and ask the difference between being a graduate and being a degree holder. I graduated from Barnard, I have a Columbia degree.</p>
<p>Here, just on a quick google:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/docs/events/school/index.html[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/docs/events/school/index.html</a>
“Columbia University tradition holds that all degrees are conferred at the University Commencement ceremony, while each school honors its graduates with a separate and unique event.”
See that Barnard is on the list under affiliated schools. The degrees are conferred by the University, students are graduates of the college. I mean, I can look for more official things, but this is really silly.</p>
<p>re your edit: Columbia will say that the degree is conferred by Columbia. This is what happens at Commencement. The University president grants degrees to all of the listed candidates from different schools and affiliates, whether they are graduates of the university or graduates of an affiliate. You can call and ask, you can look at the affiliation agreement, it’s all there. I’ve done it, so I don’t need to do it again.</p>
<p>Everything else you’re quoting from my post and assuming is some sort of argument for Barnard being Columbia on my end is just evidence to support my ACTUAL claim that Columbia is not clear, and suggestions for how they can be more clear.</p>